Do any of the profits made from the PDE programmes go into any form of canine welfare or health research? Or are your contentious views publicised only for personal gain?
Exactly! What profits? I understand what the BBC paid for the second film was entirely spent on the production costs of the film. If the BBC sell the viewing rights to enough overseas TV companies , they may make some profit but Jemima isnt the BBC. So Anon, tell us what percentage of your income goes to canine health and welfare? Do you spend as much time on rescue as Jemima gives to retriever rescue?
Thanks for the support, Anon, but actually only half right. It is true that we will, at best, only break even on PDE2 - up to and including what we are being paid upfront to produce an international version. This is because we were originally commissioned to produce just 10 minutes of new material, and keep 50 minutes of old and the budget reflected that. In the end, we chose to do the reverse - kept around 10 mins of old; and delivered 50 minutes of new.
If the film does well overseas, there is the chance of some small profit. We get a third of overseas sales.
O/seas sales are not, however, the fastest way of getting rich quick. Even major territories such as US, Australia + Japan often pay less than £10k for a bought-in one-hour doc - and it can be less than £1k for a small territory like, say, Belgium or Holland. That then splits three ways - between us, BBC UK and BBC WW.
I have no idea of the workings of the media but have I understood you correctly, that the BBC expected you to only provide 10 minutes of new material and rehash 50 minutes of the original film and then marketit to us licence payers as a new film?
Hmm..the message alone is for the welfare of canines..you think! I think the views, certainly controversal (fact lets say) are publicized on the behalf of animals as I see it. What is your real argument?
My argument is that sensational, tabloid journalism - such as PDE - shrouds itself with the cloak of compassion and concern, while cynically profiteering from it.
A simple truth is that real concern about canine health should address those who are farming puppies in Wales and Ireland. The vast number of pedigree dog breeders (of which I am not one) take the health of their own breeds very seriously - they are very visible (they exhibit, for one thing) and so are a much easier target for lazy reporting than secretive puppy farmers.
Thank goodness journalism itself is beyond reproach!
If pedigree dog breeders "take the health of their own breeds very seriously," then they are tragically inept, because they are driving their own breeds into the ground. Or maybe the problem is that they take the winning of ribbons even MORE seriously? (Explain why the woman who talked about health problems in cavaliers was driven from the breed club if breeders take health seriously...???)
If the "good breeders" don't do right by the dogs, what hope is there for the puppy farmers?
What is sensational is the very breeding practices of puppy mills AND the high order of the show industry where 'the vast numbers' need to stop whining and help get the house they are associated with in good standing order for the WELFARE of THEIR canines. The truth is hard to behold for the guilty. The argument to divert focus away from one detriment to another detriment doesn't make the first newly credible. If you are associated with breeding clubs (the so called ethical ones) then shouldn't you look toward making it as ethical as possible, again with respect to the canine breeds possible.
Thanks for the heads up! Looking forward to watching it... Coming from your average dog-loving pet owner (I don't have a showing or breeding background), thanks for speaking up for our pets!
Why would any other country buy PDE to show when less than 250,000 watch it here? indeed the very fact that the BBC would only pay for 10 minutes new material I think shows what little value they placed on the programme I think it also the point at which Ms Harrison should realise she has been sold a pup by the BBC as they have now played her, when they have now achieved their true objective of getting back with the Kennel Club to broadcast Crufts again, poor poor Jemimma made to look the fool
Mike, you could at least spell my name right. Or, indeed, get the viewing figures right (BBC4 figures never that exciting, but you're out by at least 50 per cent). Or, come to think of it, the facts about the BBC broadcasting Crufts again right.
Im not Mike...............but I think we will see just who is right in the long time Jemimma, and I like the amount the BBC were willing to pay for your new "personal view" the odds arnt in your favour :-(
''Jane M Mar 8, 2012 03:59 AM Anonymous – the viewing figures are no secret and are available from a number of sources. The overnight figures were 380,000 which don’t include the numbers for those who watched the two additional transmissions or on iPlayer. The programme got twice the average audience share for BBC4 (you can check with BARB for independent verification). '' 156.000 difference . I don't understand . Who is right ?
Jane M's figure did not inc the number for those who watched the two additional transmissions or on iPlayer as those figs weren't in when she posted on March 8.
death threats from Canada next then, you wont be able to go out soon seeing as you said your were getting them from UK when it went out and of course shes made money from PDE and her so called rescue otherwise how can she afford to sit on her A** on here all day
Goodness Jemima you must have a really thick skin! I applaud the work you do and hope that you remember just how many supporters you do have! Unfortunately people are quicker to write and complain about something they do not agree with than writing to congratulate or just to say that they agree. And more unfortunately still when no real argument can be made against the work you do it turns personal! Anyone would think you were personally responsible for what many of us 'average' dog owners have thought for years. Laughable. Be encouraged and keep up the good work.
I read that even Chris Evans wants the BBC to show Crufts again and calls the past kerfuffle (well isnt thats what the last PDE was?) as a blimp. I suspect the host of the One show and the highest rated radio show has more clout than you or your Executive producer has (well you were hidden away on BBC4, so it seems you really have been played Jemmia
I just watched the CBC broadcast (I had it recorded on my PVR). Jemima, I think you should continue to do updates every 2-3 years, as we all need to know how things are (or are not) changing.
I am a Canadian owner of purebred show dogs, and a Canadian Kennel Club member. I also own mixed breed rescue dogs, and I am involved in other dog sports. ALL dog lovers should be aware of what is happening- positive and negative- in the world of dog breeding, and many breeders share the concerns raised in the documentaries. Society needs to do better by dogs, and I think your work is one of the catalysts for making those changes. Keep it up!
Is the film exactly the same as the one that aired in the UK? I note that you reffered to an "international" version?
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It is8 minutes shorter.
ReplyDeleteJ
Whats taken out then?
DeleteJemima,
ReplyDeleteDo any of the profits made from the PDE programmes go into any form of canine welfare or health research? Or are your contentious views publicised only for personal gain?
Just wondering.
Meow! -- Rod Russell, Orlando, Florida USA
DeleteWhich profits????
DeleteExactly! What profits? I understand what the BBC paid for the second film was entirely spent on the production costs of the film. If the BBC sell the viewing rights to enough overseas TV companies , they may make some profit but Jemima isnt the BBC. So Anon, tell us what percentage of your income goes to canine health and welfare? Do you spend as much time on rescue as Jemima gives to retriever rescue?
DeleteThanks for the support, Anon, but actually only half right. It is true that we will, at best, only break even on PDE2 - up to and including what we are being paid upfront to produce an international version. This is because we were originally commissioned to produce just 10 minutes of new material, and keep 50 minutes of old and the budget reflected that. In the end, we chose to do the reverse - kept around 10 mins of old; and delivered 50 minutes of new.
DeleteIf the film does well overseas, there is the chance of some small profit. We get a third of overseas sales.
O/seas sales are not, however, the fastest way of getting rich quick. Even major territories such as US, Australia + Japan often pay less than £10k for a bought-in one-hour doc - and it can be less than £1k for a small territory like, say, Belgium or Holland. That then splits three ways - between us, BBC UK and BBC WW.
Won't be able to retire just yet.
Jemima
I have no idea of the workings of the media but have I understood you correctly, that the BBC expected you to only provide 10 minutes of new material and rehash 50 minutes of the original film and then marketit to us licence payers as a new film?
DeleteI find thos unbelievable.
Carol
Carol, it was originally commissioned (and would have been marketed) as an update only and there's a very long tradition of such films.
DeleteWe decided we wanted to do more, that's all.
Jemima
'Meow' - the world's leading nation speaks out.
Deletedo you give anything to those causes anonymous
ReplyDeleteYou really wouldn't believe it.
DeleteHmm..the message alone is for the welfare of canines..you think! I think the views, certainly controversal (fact lets say) are publicized on the behalf of animals as I see it. What is your real argument?
ReplyDeleteMy argument is that sensational, tabloid journalism - such as PDE - shrouds itself with the cloak of compassion and concern, while cynically profiteering from it.
DeleteA simple truth is that real concern about canine health should address those who are farming puppies in Wales and Ireland. The vast number of pedigree dog breeders (of which I am not one) take the health of their own breeds very seriously - they are very visible (they exhibit, for one thing) and so are a much easier target for lazy reporting than secretive puppy farmers.
Thank goodness journalism itself is beyond reproach!
If you only knew the facts!
DeleteI can only repeat:
which profits?
who is profiteering?
If pedigree dog breeders "take the health of their own breeds very seriously," then they are tragically inept, because they are driving their own breeds into the ground. Or maybe the problem is that they take the winning of ribbons even MORE seriously? (Explain why the woman who talked about health problems in cavaliers was driven from the breed club if breeders take health seriously...???)
DeleteIf the "good breeders" don't do right by the dogs, what hope is there for the puppy farmers?
@Anonymous Mar 20, 2012 07:07 AM
DeleteWhat is sensational is the very breeding practices of puppy mills AND the high order of the show industry where 'the vast numbers' need to stop whining and help get the house they are associated with in good standing order for the WELFARE of THEIR canines. The truth is hard to behold for the guilty. The argument to divert focus away from one detriment to another detriment doesn't make the first newly credible. If you are associated with breeding clubs (the so called ethical ones) then shouldn't you look toward making it as ethical as possible, again with respect to the canine breeds possible.
Thanks for the heads up! Looking forward to watching it...
ReplyDeleteComing from your average dog-loving pet owner (I don't have a showing or breeding background), thanks for speaking up for our pets!
Is Pedigree Dog Breeding done simply for pleasure or is the dirty word of profit involved? I suspect the later prevails!
ReplyDeleteWhy would any other country buy PDE to show when less than 250,000 watch it here? indeed the very fact that the BBC would only pay for 10 minutes new material I think shows what little value they placed on the programme I think it also the point at which Ms Harrison should realise she has been sold a pup by the BBC as they have now played her, when they have now achieved their true objective of getting back with the Kennel Club to broadcast Crufts again, poor poor Jemimma made to look the fool
ReplyDeleteRubbish!
DeleteThe BBC refused to broadcast Crufts---they were not thrown out by the KC!
Mike, you could at least spell my name right. Or, indeed, get the viewing figures right (BBC4 figures never that exciting, but you're out by at least 50 per cent). Or, come to think of it, the facts about the BBC broadcasting Crufts again right.
ReplyDeleteJemima
Im not Mike...............but I think we will see just who is right in the long time Jemimma, and I like the amount the BBC were willing to pay for your new "personal view" the odds arnt in your favour :-(
ReplyDeleteSome comparative viewing figures for Mike Davidsohn
ReplyDeletePDE Three Years on (BBC4) 536,000
Dogs A Healthy Future )Kennel Club on YouTube 54,497
Mr Davidsohn's own home made "expose" of PDE on YouTube 703
Lunchtime weather forecast on BBC1 1.87 Million!!!!
Delete''Jane M Mar 8, 2012 03:59 AM
DeleteAnonymous – the viewing figures are no secret and are available from a number of sources. The overnight figures were 380,000 which don’t include the numbers for those who watched the two additional transmissions or on iPlayer. The programme got twice the average audience share for BBC4 (you can check with BARB for independent verification). '' 156.000 difference . I don't understand . Who is right ?
Jane M's figure did not inc the number for those who watched the two additional transmissions or on iPlayer as those figs weren't in when she posted on March 8.
DeleteThe 536,000 figure does.
Jemima
death threats from Canada next then, you wont be able to go out soon seeing as you said your were getting them from UK when it went out
ReplyDeleteand of course shes made money from PDE and her so called rescue
otherwise how can she afford to sit on her A** on here all day
Well, either that or an iPhone and a very understanding partner...
ReplyDeleteJemima
Goodness Jemima you must have a really thick skin!
DeleteI applaud the work you do and hope that you remember just how many supporters you do have! Unfortunately people are quicker to write and complain about something they do not agree with than writing to congratulate or just to say that they agree.
And more unfortunately still when no real argument can be made against the work you do it turns personal! Anyone would think you were personally responsible for what many of us 'average' dog owners have thought for years. Laughable.
Be encouraged and keep up the good work.
Any plans for this to air on BBC America (I hope)?
ReplyDeleteI read that even Chris Evans wants the BBC to show Crufts again and calls the past kerfuffle (well isnt thats what the last PDE was?) as a blimp. I suspect the host of the One show and the highest rated radio show has more clout than you or your Executive producer has (well you were hidden away on BBC4, so it seems you really have been played Jemmia
ReplyDeleteI just watched the CBC broadcast (I had it recorded on my PVR). Jemima, I think you should continue to do updates every 2-3 years, as we all need to know how things are (or are not) changing.
ReplyDeleteI am a Canadian owner of purebred show dogs, and a Canadian Kennel Club member. I also own mixed breed rescue dogs, and I am involved in other dog sports. ALL dog lovers should be aware of what is happening- positive and negative- in the world of dog breeding, and many breeders share the concerns raised in the documentaries. Society needs to do better by dogs, and I think your work is one of the catalysts for making those changes. Keep it up!