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In fact, this pup was bred by a Kennel Club Accredited Breeder, Ines Spraggon/Alarcao (www.bohobloo.com). And this stud dog of theirs, Solo, is advertised on their website as "going to Crufts" (so presumably qualified for Crufts 2011). In other words, these are not BYB/pet-breeders.
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The website blurb boasts that Solo has "a type to die for".
Indeed.
As it happens, the Bohobloo website has an unusually honest and blunt section on Shar-pei health for which they should be congratulated. And I have no doubt that this breeder is telling the truth when they say how much they love and care for their dogs. But the fact remains that many of the health problems listed are directly linked to the conformation of the dog. There are many dogs on this website that are VERY wrinkly and laden with unnecessary, dysfunctional padding.
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So, I understand now that Ines Alancao is indeed in Europe. I also understand why she did not reply when I asked of there was not a case for taking the breeding of these dogs before the EC Court.
ReplyDeleteI have been looking at the photos of the traditional shar-pei and the one above. The traditional is a bit heavy and strong in the head, and yes the hindleg angulation is slightly on the odd side. But basically this is an animal of normal proportions.
What I want to know is this: is not the dog picyured above simply acromegalic?
Overproduction of growth hormone in people will cause distal bone to grow out of proportion, causing forehead, skull, hands and feet to become abnormally thick, large and heavy. It will make skin thick and possibly wrinkled. It deforms hugely, in short, and causes too early death.
Any vet reading this? Is the dog in the photo above acromegalic?
Actually, I think Ines Alarcao is in Surrey :-) There are many things that make her a good breeder, Bodil, and certainly way better than many. I hear, for instance, that she has withdrawn a dog from stud that is too closely related to FSF/amyloidosis - and that's good and brave. But the fact remains that the single best thing she could do for her dogs is to breed a more (MUCH more...) moderate type.
ReplyDeleteMost of the eyes on the puppy page have stitches, dogs look beautifully kept but WAY too much wrinkling. Surely most of the skin issues are caused by this exaggeration
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see how these dogs fare under judges
Judges having the courage to reward those that meet the standard and not those that are the majority in their ring is the only way to make breeders change their ideas
If none of these wrinklies ever won anything then it wouldnt take long before breeders stopped breeding them !
Jemima, I´m not saying that Ines Alanacao is not a good breeder. But your reply reminds me of that quip - "Generally dog breeders are quite good at what they do, the problem is that what they do is not good."
ReplyDeleteI do understand people loving their dogs. Would they love them less, if they were normal?
Still hoping to have an answer from a vet - is this acromegaly in the clinical sense?
Great blog and found this section on the Shar-pei most interesting as I breed Neapolitan Mastiffs, they too need to be far more moderately bred, hope you are going to post on those too Jemima.
ReplyDeleteYou have great support here by the way
Here's an early post on Neos, Maria:
ReplyDeletehttp://pedigreedogsexposed.blogspot.com/2010/11/good-example-of-breed.html
Will revisit, undoubtedly. Feel free to send any info/pix you think I might be interested in (to jem@pedigreedogsexposed.com)
Hi I am Ines A. and nobody contacted me about my pup, otherwise I would have replied. This pics was taken by and ART PHOTOGRAPHER to EXACERBATE the wrinkles!!!The Puppy was ASLEEP and had 1 tack not lots. I do thank you all for your concern about MY breed, specially Jemima, but you must know i worry more then all of you!! I lover my Pei guys as my kids, and I do try to breed away from eye tacking and entropion, I actually just had a litte almost free of it that I am so proud of. ALso I try to breed away from wrinkles and the dogs you see were still young , now as adults they are not that wrinkly. I will do anything to save my breed and others from ANY problems. That is why I am going to remove my guys from shows until they start putting HEALTH FIRST. Most of the people that know me, knows that this is true. I am not a breeder, I have a family of SHar Peis that I will do all my best to improove and also I have been overloaded by insults and threats for bringing up mots og the breeds problems, so I think you picking on the wrong one here, with all your best intentions I must add and I shall thank you for that. For the love of my breed I will do ALL it takes to save this guys from any problems , I wouldnt bear seeing them suffering xxx
ReplyDeleteDear All, I am Ines A, the owner of the dogs mentioned here. I was Never contacted by Bodil otherwise I would have replied.
ReplyDeleteThis photos were taken by an ART PHOTOGRAPHER when the dogs were puppies on purpose to exacerbate the wrinkles. The dogs featured her were at their most wrinkly age and they then grow into their wrinkles as I will post pics of how they look now for you to see. I thank Jemima and all of you guys for your concers but you are actually picking on the wrong one here:)
Everyone that knwos me , knows that I dont even call my self a breeder , I have a SHar Pei Family and work towards my dogs happyness and well being, as a therapist and with the pack.
I actually aim to breed away from eye tacking and very proudly say that just had a litter where almost all the pups were tack free. I can honestly say that only one of my dogs is a wrinkly dog, that I have considered to spade but was adviced not too, as she is very healthy and I can mate her with a less wrinkly guy, as I did, my JACk , and produce healthy less wrinkly pups.
UNfortunately with the problems like fevers and amyloidosis in most of the lines, when you have healthy guys ,you have to make the most of what you have got if you want to save this breed.
I am also one of the few bringing all this to public eye to save my breed and my guys and I have been receiving all sorts of insults and threats, but I will do anything to save my guys and my breed.
As Bodil says I wouldnt love them less if they were "normal" and you can check with my vet that NONE of my dogs have problems due to over wrinkly. I will spade and do whatever it takes to improove my breed , as I have done with 3 of mine already, my priorities are Health first, Temperament and then type.
SOlo was actually qualified for Crufts but with everything that I have been finding about showing and people breeding ill dogs , I think I am going to remove my guys from that kind of world.
I breed for health and happyness , not for looks and money. My dogs saved my life as they give me strenght, love and happyness to fight an serious condition and I would NEVER do anything to give or produce pups that would suffer with any problems. I am open to all your questions and suggestions and you can come and visit whenever you wish. Thanks for your concerns Ines
I must add that this pics were taken at this lttle guys most wrinkly age and they have now grown into their skin as most shar peis do. I can honestly say that I only have one wrinkly adult shar pei , that I had considered spaying/neuter but was told not to, as she is an healthy dog, from healthy lines, which is rare within this breed, and I should mate her with a boy with no wrinkles and get good less wrinkly healthy pups, which I have done, mated her with my Jack. Unfortunately with such serious problems as FSF and Amyloidosis in this breed , we have to wrok with the best guys we have, and improove them, and this will take years but I have started :)
ReplyDeleteI breed for Healthy Happy SHar PEIS, not to win and not for Money x
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ReplyDeleteAlso I can honestly say only have one wrinkly adult that I have considered spaying/ neuter but was adviced not as she is healthy and its rare to find healthy lines in the UK now adays, so if I mate her with a less wrinkly boy , as I did , JAck, they would produce pups with less wrinkles and healthy. Unfortunately with the problems of FSF and AMYloids in so many lines , we have to work with the few heallthy guys we have and improove them.
ReplyDeleteI breed for Healthy, HAppy dogs, not for looks and money and I am open to any questions and responsible positive suggestions x
was that the one where she mentioned a solicitor? What a shame that such a passionate person has to endure the travails of this blog.
ReplyDeleteBut the fact remains that the single best thing she could do for her dogs is to breed a more (MUCH more...) moderate type. says Jemima
ReplyDeletereally.. who made you Shar Pei Goddess.. oh wait you did that yourself
I do hope everyone here realizes that you are looking at "selected" photographs..ones that are easily manipulated.
as the saying goes.. believe half of what you see. some or none of what you hear... I would guess that means pure gossip on a blog about others..including pictures
Sorry ,have been repeating myself as I though my commenst were lost, its the first times I am posting in a blog. I know saw Bodil's question on another page of the blog, but I only read it now, so apologise for not having answered your questions, which I answer now.
ReplyDeleteANything that is done to harm or worsten the health of this dogs SHOULD be taken to EC court,so yes , you are right. On the other hand, I am doing my best with the best that the breed has got and trying to improove it.
I mention on my website that is my aim to breed away from entropion, tacking and wrinkles and I mean it
Dear Ines, thank you for explaining your views on how to go forward in breeding shar-peis. I see now why Jemima calls you a good breeder - I agree, and to me you appear an honourable keeper of your breed. We can´t choose the problems of the dogs we lose our heart to, but we can definitely chose what we propose to do about them and you seem to me to be making the right choices.
ReplyDeleteI do understand falling in love with a breed because one happens to come across dogs that are worth having. It happened to me, didn´t it? It happened to very many of us. I do understand slowly discovering that trouble has been bred into the bodies and lives of the creatures we love as companions - it happened to me as well, as it happened to a great many people. I do understand and I greatly appreciate the courage to name the problems and the determination to do something about it! As you say, it will take years, and there will be difficult prioritizing:this dog is great on A, but not so good when it comes to B. So which is the greater gain to the breed? I think you do the right thing and wish you luck.
But still - I look at the traditional dog, and at the modern Western dog, and I think: is not this the clinical image of acromegaly? If it is, there is a third problem bred into your breed.
I appreciate your feeling of protectiveness - "MY breed" - but I think that your breed is not just your breed. If a disfiguring inheritable trait is praised and promoted by judges (and ignored by vets) in one breed, it will reflect on all other breeds and make us accept indefensible distortion of normal anatomy as everyday practice.
Ines asks: "I breed for Healthy, HAppy dogs, not for looks and money and I am open to any questions and responsible positive suggestions."
ReplyDeleteThen lead the way... Contact the owner of traditional Shar-pei Maxim, mentioned in the Comments elsewhere, and if he's as healthy as he appears to be (he is six years old and certainly clear of FSF), ask if you could use him on your healthiest bitch.
http://koti.phnet.fi/kikanpei/eindex.html
Start something new and special for the UK Shar-peis. Even if the first-generation pups are not KC registerable, I believe the KC would fully support you - and I will give you so much publicity for the pups that you'll have puppy-buyers queuing round the block for them.
Bodil, I don't think that the look of the modern show pei type is the result of acromegaly. I wish it were, though.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much everyone, for the anonymous one, I am sorry but you havent done a positive suggestion like Jemima and Bodil done. ARe you here to help imrooving things ir dump your anger? Lets be civilized , I wellcome you to come and see my dogs, if you have good intentions :)
ReplyDeleteJemima, that is a very good idea , I will contact Maxim's owner and ask him/her if he is willing to do that. Thanks for that
Bodil, I agree with you , some of the dogs are too wrinkly and something should be done about it , which I have been trying, but with Jemima's suggestion ther will be better improovements if you mate a tradfitional with a modern shar pei.
Thank you so much for your attention and care.
Ines x
Why would Maxim's offspring not be KC registerable?
ReplyDeleteI am guessing that Maxim is not registered with a Kennel Club with a reciprocal agreement with the UK Kennel Club. But I might be wrong - and if I am that would be very exciting.
ReplyDeleteInes, I am so impressed by your willingness to try something new.Hats off to you!
I'm not sure about Maxim, but his puppies do have FCI pedigree (Jasdoren litter F).
ReplyDeleteLike you guys anything that is going to improove, its more then wellcome. I will check with Maxim's owner, I dont know her name or contact, would any of you do, please? Thanks xx
ReplyDeleteMaxim's owner is not in the uk, I will try to find a traditional one here xx
ReplyDeleteInes, if you contact Maxim´s owner, will you let us all know the developments? This is beginning to look exciting! Good luck to you and may you find what your breed needs!
ReplyDeleteInes, you could consider AI? I don't think there are any traditional Pei in the UK. Maxim's owner is Kikka Posti. You can contact her via her website: http://koti.phnet.fi/kikanpei/
ReplyDeleteI think Ines is a VERY GOOD person with a kind soul and heart! She will do everything she can to take the breed forward. The suggestion that Jemima makes above is great and what a truly outstanding person Ines is to embrace the idea and actually pledge to look further into it! Way to go Ines! To anonymous, I would say that there are archives bulging at the seams with evidence that the wrinkling on Shar Pei causes health issues. The over production of hyaluron -actually is known to be causing FSF, SSTS, SHS and Amyloidosis - to name but 4!! All of these diseases are, at best crippling for the dog and at worst kill the dog! What a good job the Western breeders have done; they've taken a dog that looks to me to be absolutely fit for purpose and changed it into something that doesn't even look remotely like the original Shar Pei!! Nobody has to be a "goddess" of a breed to see what is happening; even the very uninitiated in your breed can see the comparisons. I would recommend that you take all the energy you have and place it into embracing NEW ideas on how to save your breed and bring it back from the brink! Until you do this then your breed is in serious jeopardy!! You need to start thinking "outside the box"; open your mind and encourage brain storming. Praise the people who are making a stance against the health problems. Do not vilify them. I feel however that my words will be wasted. Anybody who even dares consider that breeders are "doing it wrong" comes under fierce attack in ALL BREEDS. My breed has just had its first confirmed case of amyloidosis and this is in a specific bloodline. Hell will freeze over before I allow a healthy, working, breed to fall victim to egotistical breeders who care not about what they are producing. My breed is the Bracco Italiano and I'm already known as being a "troublemaker" because I am unhappy about what breeders are doing. I brought this up 2 years ago and ALL my predictions have come true. It stops here though!! I will not allow the Bracco Italiano to be riddled with health problems like other breeds.
ReplyDeletemy breed is not at any "brink" as many are not.. the sky is not falling for the pedigreed dog in all instances.. the more "rules" you make.. the less good breeders you will have..no one can keep up with all that you want and still have time to have job AND raise puppies and sell then for any where near a break even point.. most dogs ARE healthy.in spite of what is put forward here.. most part time breeders work as hard as they can to produce healthy puppies... and what I see her is nothinhg but comtempt for them. so make your rules and laws.. watch "pure bred" dog prices skyrocket.. watch dogs become more rare.. watch many breeds die out .. oh and watch the underground breeders crawl out to take the place of the good breeder
ReplyDeleteIf you are such good breeder , why dont you help with some suggetions? We are all civilized and all want the best for the breed, so by brain storming we will have more chances of finding more ideas, a good balanced is required and carefull planning. Why do you keep your self Anonymous ? x
ReplyDeleteand I will give you so much publicity for the pups that you'll have puppy-buyers queuing round the block for them.
ReplyDeleteThis statement, based on a theory and a photograph, is exactly why Jemima's views are dangerous. If she thinks that breeding is that simple, I invite her to put her theories to the test.
It isn't theory that the traditional shar-pei is a more sound dog conformationally.
ReplyDeleteIt isn't theory that a mating between a meat-loaf and a bone-mouth will produce a dog that is somewhere between the two.
I talked to Ines today and discussed how important the pedigree research would be if she went ahead (not am sure that she needs me to tell her this). That both dogs need to be healthy goes without saying.
I like the idea of "Maxim" because he is an older, health-proved dog and he does not have FSF. Additionally, he's in Finland and I have found the Fins to be almost universally honest and honorable and, moreover, they are genetically aware. This is because the Fins were isolated goegraphically for a long time and suffer their own genetic problems. There is real openness in Finland about this and the openness carries over into their dog-breeding (and with their Kennel Club) There isn't the same culture of denial and secrecy that exists too often elsewhere.
Really, why trash it?
Bless Ines for being so much more open-minded than some others. She deserves support, not the bitching that I hear has already started amongst the breed purists.
Ines, why is Anonymous being Anonymous?
ReplyDeleteTraditional dog breeder´s culture. You´ll have a fair slice of it, if you keep on doing what you seem to mean to do. :-)
Don´t be put off...It´s tiresome, but not deadly.:-) And to be sure, our dogs are worth it!
Jemima, not to disappoint you, but here in the Nordic countries we do have our share of dog breeder´s omertá, too. We have less of it, perhaps, because dog breeding tradition was transplanted onto existing culture of animal breeding less prone to the obssessions of conformation? More Swedes and Finns than British people living today are only first or second generation city immigrants, so that connections to old farming conditions stressing the usefulness and working ability of animals are less weakened?
Dear Everyone, I have been looking into traditional Shar Peis and speaking with Anne Lise , interesting to find that the Traditional pei temepraments is very different from my laid back guys, they also have a very strong hunting instinct and need lots of exercise. Also they are always the Bosses. So one thing that do worry me is their temperament as its is one of my priorities and I wouldnt breed from a dog if he hasnt got an excellent tempearment.
ReplyDeleteThe other interesting thing I found is that my eldest male Max and some horse coats in the UK, are very similar to Traditional, they do not have wrinkles in the body , the muzzle is smaller and eyes clearer. SO I am looking at them too. Will keep you updated xx
Dali Maxim is registered in Finnish KC with two genarations pedigree: http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmKoira.aspx?RekNo=ER19511%2F07&R=309 (link goes to the online pedigree database of Finnish KC, only in Finnish at the moment).
ReplyDeleteHe has had his eyes and knees examined in August 2010 and shows no sign of eye diseases or patella luxation. His children have full registration. One of them have been put down at 2 years because of "hopeless prediction of recovery" (illness not specified).
Maija Vilppo, Finland
Ines, I agree that Max is less exaggerated, although still quite a long way from the traditional Pei. And I am not totally surprised to hear that the traditional Pei is sharper - and agree with you that temperament is vital. But don't give up on the trad pei just yet... there must be lines/dogs with great temperament out there.
ReplyDeleteThanks Maija - the Finnish KC database (freely open to all) is a fantastic resource AND it lists COI AND you can do virtual matings. Also how amazing it would be to be able to find progeny data like that here... Is death data routinely recorded?
ReplyDeleteI know the KC here requires no health testing for Accredited Breeders of Shar-pei - are there any health-test requirements for Shar-peis in Finland?
I had a call from KC saying if I go ahead with this mating they would help me registering the pups, which I am no too worried with that I have to be sure about health and temperament, those are the 2 important things, I will try to find out how did Maxim;s son died as that not specified ilness worries me. I am not rushing into anything without researching the lines well, otherwise instead of improoving my dogs I might make them worst lol
ReplyDeleteI am really pleased to hear that the KC would be supportive, Ines. Very good news. Yes of course - very important to find out why the pup died so young. Isn't it fantastic that the Finnish database lists such information?
ReplyDeleteReleased by the KC 3 April 2008 "The Kennel Club has been made aware of the procedure of ‘skin tacking’ in young puppies, in breeds such as the Shar Pei. It wishes to see an end to the need for this practice. In the meantime, the General Committee of the Kennel Club has agreed that it is a procedure that, for the purposes of Kennel Club Regulations, alters the natural conformation of the dog.
ReplyDeleteThe Kennel Club has consulted with the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, which has now agreed that this procedure may be notified to the Kennel Club. Veterinary surgeons will be asked to report such surgery to the Kennel Club, by virtue of the client having given permission to do so under Kennel Club Rules for Registration. Exhibitors are also required, on show entry forms, to declare that no dog is being shown where such alteration has been made without the relevant permission to show being granted by the Kennel Club.
It follows therefore that any dog which has undergone skin tacking after the date of this announcement may not be exhibited until its owners have applied for, and received, permission to show from the Kennel Club. It is unlikely that such permission will be granted.
" it seem syou caring breeder knows very little not to have been aware of this (it was greatly discussed in the Canine Press and by the breed club along with their vet not being aware of what they should of done too. Indeed the owner didnt even know it was not allowed until after the photo was taken, perhaps the best way they can serve this breed, is not to breed!! again why dont you publish the full facts to a "story"
The KC directive doesn't ban tacking completely - it just bans dogs that have been tacked from participating in shows.
ReplyDeleteThe KC directive is very welcome (even though, unfortunately, it's resulted in some unsrcupulous breeders simply tacking the dogs themselves - and, yep, I have the evidence).
I'm not sure why you are dissing this breeder for not knowing about the KC directive (if, indeed this is true). She's shown herself to be willing to consider a move that could really help Shar-peis and for this she should be celebrated.
Anonymous, am I getting you right here? Are you saying that because a "caring breeder" - would that be Ines by any chance? - tacks a puppy´s eyelids because they NEED to be tacked in order to save the sensitive cornea of the eye from ulceration, regardless of whether that means the puppy cannot later be showed in your precious ring - she should stop breeding???
ReplyDeleteShe prioritizes eyesight above showing. She looks for a way to breed back to normal-skinned shar-pei dogs, who won´t require tacking.
She, you are saying, should give it up...and leave the breed to arrogant ignorance like yours?
Dont worry Jemima, its ok. I actually knew and I told the photgrapher that I didnt want that pic on the book, but the truth is I ALWAYS publish the FULL FACTS , and thats why you anonymous bothered to spend you precious time picking on me.
ReplyDelete1 -The dog on the photo is NOT a show dog
2 - Tacks are a reality within the breed, they have to be done, should be our aim to breed against it/to improove eyes, so why not show it/
3 - As I knew the SPCGB wouldnt be happy with this I gave them notice of the pics and said it was against my advice, and the only reason for me to disagree its because I would rather the pup not to go through that!
$ - SO now we know the "ANonymous" is somebody from the SPCGB, why not showing your name and indeed why you are so annoyed with me?
4 - Ask CAroline Kisko and Bill LAmbert about me and they will let you know I am always up to date with all the information.
%- Enjoy your XMas , Remember St. Nicholas selflessness msg, and join us to help improoving our breed and make our dogs happier.
Merry Xmas to you all xxxxx
Did warn you'd need a thick skin Ines.. Wasn't sure whether or not to publish the comment so am delighted to see you and Bodil handle it with such panache.
ReplyDeleteInes, here are some links for you:
ReplyDeleteBreeder of Dali Maxim's litter is kennel Jasdoren
http://www.kolumbus.fi/raimo.aro/freimisivu%20eng.htm
and the owner of Maxim's puppy which had to be put down:
http://tahvokumppanit.nettisivu.org/jasdoren-felipa-feminin-pimpu/
I think you could contact them or Maxim's owner for the cause of death
Jemima, cause of death is not routinely marked but the owner has report it. You don't have to be a member of Finnish KC to report it. The database also calculates nowadays ancestor loss coefficient.
There are no required health tests for Shar Pei in Finland but the breed club recommends eyes, knees, hips and elbows. I checked and out of the 16 eye tested Shar Peis 10 have entropion. The breed is small in Finland with few dozens registered dogs per year but still 16 is small number .
Maija Vilppo, Finland
Thanks Maija , I actually did find that Maxim's brother is in the UK, which is interesting, also my experience is that if you use dogs that didnt have eyes tacked to breed, choose another dog without a heavy brow the puppies eyes wont need tacking. It would be easier to improove the eyes through a traditional, saying this I did notice they are also quite wrinkly as pups.
ReplyDeleteDo traditional shar peis never have their eyes tacked? Sorry about all my questions but I am investigating all the avenues to make sure I get things right xx
Ines, FWIW, I met one of Maxim's sons a couple of months ago, and he was just a sweetheart, very friendly and open. Reminded me of one of my peis a lot, he was a lot calmer than mine though. :)
ReplyDeleteHI NAnook and thanks, good to know that he is a sweetheart, where is he? xx
ReplyDeleteI think he's in Finnland. I met him at a show.
ReplyDeleteines, I am afraid I cannot tell you anything more about traditional Shar Peis in general or Dali Maxim in particular. I'm not in that breed (I prefer terriers myself). I do follow this blog and as Finland came up I did some online searches as I know figuring out Finnish (websites) can be problematic for English (or almost any other European language) speakers as the Finnish vocabulary is quite different due to the origins of the languages being different.
ReplyDeleteMaija Vilppo, Finland
ines is a new novice in sharpei as she only got her first several sharpei 2 years ago followed by her first litters last year, so she has much to learn about them. it is good to investigate
ReplyDeletePlease let us not focus on this young breeder Ines who has contacted me numerous times and ALWAYS her focus is on the better health and welfare of the breed. Here is a breeder who has great potential qualities (like compassion, integrity, courage, authenticity and ethics) to be a TRUE asset to the breed.
ReplyDeleteWhat a shame it would be if those with more advantageous of political connections (among the show circuit) were able to target and malign this woman who (from what I have seen demonstrated by her) has so sincerely endeavored to be an asset to the breed. This breed needs MORE like this breeder and less like those that seek to "stone the messanger" that this breeder (courageously) has been.
Rev. JL Wortham-Morgan (Blessing's CSP) Creator-Faces of FSF & Amyloidosis awareness and memorial project.
Thanks JAnet, and by the way my eldest pei Poppy is 7 and Max s 4 all the others are going to be 3 this year. I have researched more about this breed then most people,and Not how to get a Champion, but how to produce healthy , good temparemented closest to the BS as possible.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I feel I owe a BIG THANK YOU to Maggie Richards, JAnet Morgan, Janice Kay, Ian Cloggie, and all the people that believed and guide me along this path.
ReplyDeleteIT IS A PULI.. NOT A KOMONDOR..honestly if you cannot even ID the breed what in the heck are you doing writing about the "problems" they have.. PULI PULI PULI..repeat after me.. PULI.. all you have to do is read the caption under the picture or do some research on the internet... .. but in reality YOU of all people should know what breeds you are so critical of..without even looking twice..shame on you for this.. but when you cannot tell a dog from a bitch.. well then.. nuff said
ReplyDeleteNo need to be quite so shouty, Jan. Am always happy to make corrections.
ReplyDeleteThe Puli and the Komondor are pretty similar and this picture is widely captioned as a Komondor elsewhere, hence the mistake.
Hello Jemima and Ines,
ReplyDeleteHere is my kennel site, where you can found my email address too http://kennellonfumun.kotisivukone.com
Maxim has had one litter with meat mouth and puppys is great. One Maxim's daughter live with us, shes eyes and knee joint are exam in health. In my Facebook profile is many pictures of my dogs. That one bitch which put to sleep was very weird thing, puppy was sold the place from where Animal Welfare Inspector taking the dog away, i try to give instructions in breeder whatkind of peopple the new owner should be and what to eat and allkind of things, but this was result. And they never made autopsy to find out, what was wrong. They do not even tell me that dog was putting down, i read it in FB.
Regards
Maxim's owner
The first result of shar pei fever research, has publish. Read the article here:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1001332
Regards
Maxim's owner
I visited that breeder's website and saw no less than eleven pictures of puppies with heavy eye-stacking.
ReplyDeleteJust awful.
//Frida who wants a Bone-mouth Shar-Pei.