tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post9217679905592856342..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Meat and bonesJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-20497526469389597242013-12-02T17:33:09.496+00:002013-12-02T17:33:09.496+00:00I have got someone very offended about this commen...I have got someone very offended about this comment made 3 years ago. I got to believe for years that there were "clean lines" and "bad lines" . Thats what everyone use to say, so obviously i could not understand why people were allowed to breed from ill lines. I have to also say the The Midlands SHar Pei Club has been very helpful and the KC was too. So now we starting to see some changes, I am not even trying to compete with the shows, I do not show, although i have some show dogs, and i dearly love them. Please let me get on with my way, i only mean well xxxInes xxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1668391795319543342013-11-30T21:00:38.282+00:002013-11-30T21:00:38.282+00:00I have never seen an original Shar-pei, and to tel...I have never seen an original Shar-pei, and to tell you the truth, I would never buy what passes for a Shar-pei, if I were going to buy a dog, after having seen what a stunning dog they were before they were totally ruined. We've done this to all the breeds. They are so inbred now that buying a pure bred dog practically guarantees massive vet bills. I've spent thousands upon thousands in vet bills on the last three pure bred dogs which were given to me before they were a year old. The first dog we had was mixed breed on both sides of his "family", and he didn't get ill until he was a bit over 15. He was diagnosed with cancer. He was 16 when his time came. The ACD, the Mini Schnauzer, and the Golden Retriever died before there time from diseases that were prone to their breeds. We now have a small mixed breed terrier whose lineage I wouldn't even attempt to guess.<br />I say by pass the pedigree ,, adopt a mutt. 3grrrshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354940054275376788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-19184159538320736072013-11-29T17:24:22.730+00:002013-11-29T17:24:22.730+00:00Thank you for continuing to keep the pressure on b...Thank you for continuing to keep the pressure on breeders of show dogs that are not healthy. I applaud you. I breed whippets and so far, other than deafness and heart problems, we are a fairly healthy breed. If only my fellow breeders would test for deafness, hip dyplasia, heart disease and eye health, I would be optimistic. The show ring has ceased to be a place to find breeding stock, which was the original intent. Human beings messing with nature always fall short.Iva Kimmelmanhttp://www.merciisle.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-26526542754383280842013-09-04T21:42:50.247+01:002013-09-04T21:42:50.247+01:00I have a rescue dog that they told me was Shar-pei...I have a rescue dog that they told me was Shar-pei and Black Mouth Cur but to be honest after seeing your top photo of a traditional Shar-pei (besides the down turned ears) they could be an exact match. She has put on a few lbs since we got her but this is the exact dog that I have at my house. She had 11 puppies before coming to us and was very thin but wow. I don't think she has anything else mixed with her if you look at the original photo and her you would think they are the same dog. Thanks for you insight into this. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08318543659052765624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-59483522156460973472012-08-27T15:22:16.299+01:002012-08-27T15:22:16.299+01:00This dog is a champion birch and has produced a li...This dog is a champion birch and has produced a line of champions. She is the mother of my dog who him self has sired two champions and all have excellent movements and scores. Pinky is based in HK so I think we can assume the weather is pretty hot out there. Sue walshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-40255692335325510142012-03-08T13:22:01.882+00:002012-03-08T13:22:01.882+00:00What a shame Ryan that there are not more conscien...What a shame Ryan that there are not more conscientious people out there. What upsets me is you go to these so called reputable breeders - many who say we breed for health, then why do some of their dogs have eyes that look so abnormal, they look droopy, red and sore? many are overly wrinkled, and are obviously being bred for them - it really upsets me looking and what some people are creating.Janenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-44965590546735762102012-02-27T22:36:08.985+00:002012-02-27T22:36:08.985+00:00I'm from Wales in the UK, i fell in love with ...I'm from Wales in the UK, i fell in love with the Shar-Pei after seeing a book about them in a local pet store. Before buying a female puppy i thought i had taken all the precautions. I spent weeks researching both the KC (UK) web site, various Shar-Pei owners club web sites, wikipedia and a host of others. My aim was to find the healthiest pup i could find from the healthiest Dam and Sire. <br /><br />It seems I didn't research quite enough. I wasn't even aware that the traditional Bone mouth existed until tonight when i watched a promgram on the BBC exposing the quite frankly, disgraceful practices of many breeders in the UK of exaggurating characteristics of dogs. After several hours of further, more in depth research, I'm still no closer to finding a breeder of traditional Bone mouth shar-peis in the UK.<br /><br />My plan was always to breed my Shar-Pei, thankfully, she does not have too much flesh and skin around the eyes and mouth, and does not have an over exaggurated wrinkling of the skin anywhere. Unfortunately, she has Elbow dysplasia in her front right leg (though not in her left suprisingly), and because of this fact, i will NOT be breeding her. <br /><br />I can't conciously risk passing on this condition to another litter. I forgot to add that she had her eye lids tacked as a 5-6 week old pup along with the rest of her litter by the breeder.Ryan Llewellynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-25970628030808951462011-11-24T21:19:59.957+00:002011-11-24T21:19:59.957+00:00If anyone is in Eastern Canada, we have to GORGEOU...If anyone is in Eastern Canada, we have to GORGEOUS Traditional Bone Mouths ready for new homes. <br /><br />Please go to our website to check details<br /> Merlin s Hope.com<br /><br />Both are healthy. One is a 8-month old baby in excellent health. These tradition shar-pei truly define the qualities of the breed and are entirely, delightfully different from the Westernized version!Merlins Hopehttp://www.merlinshope.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-15219032242533219782011-11-23T19:25:39.521+00:002011-11-23T19:25:39.521+00:00Look at what American has done to the German Sheph...Look at what American has done to the German Shepherd dog? So this surprises anyone?<br /><br />I totally agree with what someone above said.<br />The kennels clubs should refuse these Western shar-pei an insist that breeders breed towards to original look, design and purpose of the dog. <br /><br />Only then will things change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-25096375653767668442011-08-21T07:24:04.377+01:002011-08-21T07:24:04.377+01:00Nancy at MaoBao shar peis is in Georgia, USA, and ...Nancy at MaoBao shar peis is in Georgia, USA, and she has some gorgeous old type sharpeis.<br /><br />http://nancy.allen.net/<br /><br />http://nancy.allen.net/Splash2.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-5979201603957390812011-08-02T03:13:04.649+01:002011-08-02T03:13:04.649+01:00I have a traditional chinese shar pei and she is t...I have a traditional chinese shar pei and she is the best dog I'v ever had!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-54148293338429365742011-06-06T08:43:46.902+01:002011-06-06T08:43:46.902+01:00You know there is something in between... You can ...You know there is something in between... You can have a "meat mouth" and some wrinkles without having the extreme 'hippo' nose or masses of wrinkles.<br />I had a Shar-Pei who was the "old type" and he did not have any issues with his eyes and did not need his wrinkles cleaned out.<br /><br />He looked similar to this:<br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/kasumisty/5803135267/in/photostreamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-83904639931842913112011-01-04T07:15:38.015+00:002011-01-04T07:15:38.015+00:00Nanook, read here: https://www.broadinstitute.org/...Nanook, read here: https://www.broadinstitute.org/scientific-community/science/projects/mammals-models/canine-disease-genetics-news <br /><br /><br />Regards<br />Maxims ownerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-7756726257493238002011-01-03T19:59:05.674+00:002011-01-03T19:59:05.674+00:00What kind of a DNA test - marker od direct?What kind of a DNA test - marker od direct?Nanookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076176630645335950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-47533447239438008522011-01-03T18:50:05.750+00:002011-01-03T18:50:05.750+00:00Jemima, One of researcher has told me that they st...Jemima, One of researcher has told me that they start to develop that in the spring. Now they validating that test. This has been waiting so long, almost 20 years.<br /><br />Regards<br />Maxims ownerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-56614055299725503692011-01-03T15:53:52.027+00:002011-01-03T15:53:52.027+00:00This is a new DNA test for FSF/amyloidosis? Had he...This is a new DNA test for FSF/amyloidosis? Had heard there was one in the pipeline. Any idea when it might be available?<br /><br /><br />JemimaJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-75476606290335694572011-01-03T15:46:06.136+00:002011-01-03T15:46:06.136+00:00I can say that Maxim is clear because he's bee...I can say that Maxim is clear because he's been tested and participated in FSF/Amyloidos research, which develop in Uppsala University,in Sweden. This test is not ready YET in common use,but we hope soon is. Thats why i can say he is health.<br /><br />Regards Maxims ownerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36696272937206121322011-01-01T22:57:17.927+00:002011-01-01T22:57:17.927+00:00Is there a typical age(s) by which time these dise...Is there a typical age(s) by which time these diseases break out? And is Maxim past that age(s)? If he is then what you could say is that his chances of being sick are significantly lowered which is important if there is no genetic test (as there apparently is none for Shar Peis at the moment).<br /><br />This is the problem in many breeds with late onset disease and using young dogs (especially studs) for breeding. Even without genetic test for most diseases there is the an age when you can say that the chances of this dog getting sick have lowered. Dogs should not be used for breeding before they have passed this age, especially not studs who can sire their first litter even at old age. By waiting until the dog is past the "risk age" breeders could lower the number of diseased dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-70878765580268299422010-12-31T17:22:17.784+00:002010-12-31T17:22:17.784+00:00There is no way to know a dog is clear. Even dogs ...There is no way to know a dog is clear. Even dogs imported from your Far East traditional dogs have been subject to FSF and Amyloid.<br /><br />So I'm sorry Maxim's owner... you can't prove your dog is clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-56417607332432803062010-12-30T21:13:54.685+00:002010-12-30T21:13:54.685+00:00Maxim`s owner claims he`s dog to be clear of FSF a...Maxim`s owner claims he`s dog to be clear of FSF and Amyloid. How can you tell?<br />You take certain tests and they are clear for now but it does not mean that your dog is all clear of these diseases. He can get sick after a week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-90967928826373654532010-12-22T20:42:42.949+00:002010-12-22T20:42:42.949+00:00Thanks for posting an image of a traditional Shar-...Thanks for posting an image of a traditional Shar-pei, I have _never_ seen one. It's rather disgusting that the horribly distorted version is what makes the puppy calendars and is the current "mental model" of the breed for most people. <br /><br />That traditional dog is gorgeous. I can't help but see the excess skin and other neotenous features in the other dog as grotesque.BorderWarshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410343987050560739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8508697102996021842010-12-22T08:43:51.917+00:002010-12-22T08:43:51.917+00:00What an interesting site and article here! Interes...What an interesting site and article here! Interesting comments as well. Good to see this topic getting exposure. I (and a number of others I see have commented here) have been trying to raise awareness on these breed health issues for YEARS.<br /><br />While the breed certainly is in worse shape today (IMO) with regards to health & longevity it wasnt without some of these issues early on either. Some of the original imports had entropion, FSF and other breed specific genetic health issues. Yet there is no doubt that the breed's current state of health is (IMO) precarious.<br /><br />There are dedicated, ethical breeders out there who absolutely do care about the breed and strive to breed healthier Pei but in the climate of silence & denial on the show circuit, the dishonesty and greed/ego motivated practices of many, rampant misinformation being circulated, popular sire syndrome and a variety of other factors in play it is an uphill struggle. How does one research a pedigree when the information sources on the line's health are so unreliable (or made unavailable)? <br /><br />I will be honest.....one can work diligently to uncover truth as to any potential genetic issues in a line, one can health screen with whatever tests are available, one can carefully select and breed what they BELIEVE to be the healthiest stock but frankly, it's a crapshoot from there. To make it worse there are breeders who use this logic to excuse marginal breeding choices or even blatent breeding of KNOWN producers of Amyloidosis dogs. As I hear time and again "It's in all the lines"...as if that excuses breeding close reletaives of afflicted Pei or even the afflicted pei themselves. Last year I understand that a breeder used frozen semen of a winning show dog that was deceased (from amyloidosis)to produce a litter. Sigh!<br /><br />In our quest for phenotype that is pleasing to our eyes (not to mention VERY marketable) we have created or exacerbated one hell of alot of health issues. I would (sadly) hardly call us unique in the dogworld either. In the SPORT of conformation dog showing we have glorified breed standards that call for traits that compromise health & longevity and we have almost completely lost the actual DOG in this equation...Or (as a dear friend of mine retorted to a show breeder arguing for the validity of focusing on phenotype) "they are a genetic trainwreck and you can only remark on how lovely the tracks appear?"<br /><br />FSF/Amyloidosis ARE rampant. We (as yet) do not have confirmation on the pattern of inheritance though past research has indicated autosomal recessive pattern. There is alot of new research that will be published in coming months on FSF, Amyloidosis & Hyaluranan and its HUGE role in multiple breed specific health issues. There is a DNA test (FSF/A) presently being developed (in the validation process presently) and hopefully this info & test will give us tools for better breeding strategies. Hopefully these tools will be USED and not ignored as much health info has been in the past.<br /><br />In the meantime I think it is great to keep a dialog going on this. I think the show world needs pressure to shift focus to priorities that serve the DOGS and not our egos or pocketbooks first. Thank you so much for posting this blog.<br /><br />And anyone who sees this and has an FSF or Amyloidosis Pei, please consider submitting them (photo, call name, date of birth (and DOD when applicable)to the Faces of FSF & Amyloidosis awareness & memorial project. Send to: jl@blessingssharpei.com <br /><br />There is also a page on FB where one can share their FSF/Amyloidosis Pei's pedigree and the Shar Pei forum has tons of info for care and support for Pei owners too.<br /><br />Lets keep talking, keep working, keep educating the public and hopefully we will eventually shift priorities to health & longevity for a better future for these amazing beings we call Shar Pei.<br /><br />JL Wortham-Morgan<br />Blessing's CSP, Creator-Faces of FSF/Amyloidosis Awareness/Memorial project.JL Wortham-Morgan, BlessingsCSP, Faces of FSF Projecthttp://blessingssharpei.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-37920326057439994752010-12-20T16:17:25.108+00:002010-12-20T16:17:25.108+00:00A long and very intresting artickle about the trad...A long and very intresting artickle about the traditional Shar-pei,very educating reading written by a dear friend of mine.<br />http://www.kynon.gr/en/node/70/#alithiaenAnne Lise Junckerhttp://www.traditionalsharpei.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-56202380976557135252010-12-20T08:03:57.996+00:002010-12-20T08:03:57.996+00:00I don't know you and haven't lumped you un...I don't know you and haven't lumped you under any umbrella. As for the responsible buyer/responsible breeder thing, I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.Nanookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076176630645335950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-27600336423657860292010-12-20T02:12:16.413+00:002010-12-20T02:12:16.413+00:00I thought I did a lot of research when I got my ge...I thought I did a lot of research when I got my german shepherd back in the 1990s. I went to a famous show breeder who was featured in all the breed books. I figured someone that successful HAD to be ethical and have healthy dogs. Sad LOL!Katenoreply@blogger.com