tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post9109516376022466948..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Puppy-buyers "being conned" by Kennel Club breeder schemeJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-29184257242651015152017-03-09T15:37:53.600+00:002017-03-09T15:37:53.600+00:00Probably the best written assessment Of The Kennel...Probably the best written assessment Of The Kennel Club I've ever read - It's a corrupt "Club" That's invented it's own set of rules outside UK Legislation, that it also fails to meet on a regular basis. NOBODY within the UK can breed more than 4/5 litters a year - Per address - This joke of a club refuses to police the natter unless local authorities ask them for evidence. They are quite happy registering 12/15 litters from an accredited breeder, allow them to use the KC Puppy sales site.. (Another thing they dislike unless it's theirs) ... Thank god hopefully this new amendment going through Parliament( 2017) at the moment - NO MORE THAN TWO LITTERS A YEAR- Will put an end to this money bagging "Club" in their multi million office Mayfair. Rant over! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-82926699728415987822014-06-19T17:03:43.536+01:002014-06-19T17:03:43.536+01:00Your points are all very valid and as a member of ...Your points are all very valid and as a member of the ABS myself (been inspected) I wholly agree it needs tightening up - Rome and all that. However, I know this is your 'thing' Jemima, but I can't help wondering when there is so much abuse going on at puppy farms, and with all the energy and passion you have, why you aren't focusing on the really awful abuses of pedigree dog breeding in the UK?Jay Horganhttp://www.aritaur.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-57593474417898024932013-12-18T16:17:11.485+00:002013-12-18T16:17:11.485+00:00conditional discharge for 2 yrs that means no pena...conditional discharge for 2 yrs that means no penalty unless another offence is committed within 24 months £200 costs and a ban from keeping animals they have been dealt with very sympathetically.Mitigation was not really reported it sounds like they had underlying problems. Typical Rspca case. It has cost them £30,000 so is a good Christmas fundraiser. Surely it would be kinder to have put the pups down, after all the breed is a car crash anyway and their developement has probably been compromisedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-46087232224203716232013-12-18T11:12:51.026+00:002013-12-18T11:12:51.026+00:00Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places, becau...Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places, because I've been to quit a few breeders houses, some in the scheme some not, and the conditions and the way they look after their dogs is a credit to them all, what I find in torrent is the breeders of these so called designer dogs, loads of cash for nothing more than problems i.e. Cavipugs, how dumb are these people, puppy farmers and designer dog breeders are in my mind the worst kind, yes pedigree dogs do need to improve in some cases, but lets not just hit the easy target, these others need sorting too...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-59867706805498657382013-12-17T22:04:21.368+00:002013-12-17T22:04:21.368+00:00Shit.
'Dog training and behavioural correction...Shit.<br />'Dog training and behavioural corrections undertaken in our secure back field'<br /><br />I feel sick.<br /><br />These people were clueless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-73690540011591510402013-12-17T16:06:33.096+00:002013-12-17T16:06:33.096+00:00Hi Georgina,
Thank you for the information. It ta...Hi Georgina,<br /><br />Thank you for the information. It takes quite a bit of work to get a big boat back on course.<br /><br />But if you get up to the Big Lost Boat to lend them your ship-to-shore phone (because they don't seem to be hearing feedback) and you find they are flying the Jolly Roger..........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-32937670605471695912013-12-17T10:42:48.582+00:002013-12-17T10:42:48.582+00:00Hi anon 02:50, the wording of the scheme is Assure...Hi anon 02:50, the wording of the scheme is Assured Breeders. Assured by whom? What does Assured mean? I would interpret it as meaning that the breeder had been inspected by a KC knowledgeable/professionally trained inspector prior to a certificate of Assurance being awarded. I think that one would expect this to be the case. But that doesn't seem to be the case. If one took the £10 fee per breeder to join the Scheme multiplied by the several thousands of breeders who have taken it up means that there must be a considerable sum of money swilling around that should have been used for inspection. I have done a bit of work on the stats of the assured breeders scheme and it is unbelievable and I am sure that in time we will be able to view the figures in a clear format. Why new breeders, it isn't so much that they are "dogged down" it is, I assume, because if the KCABS hasn't been able to monitor established scheme members then the KC should not be issuing new certificates, it is totally misleading. Therefore one concludes that the scheme isn't for the safety and wellbeing of the dogs, it is just another revenue raiser for the KC. I understand that they have raised £12M from a property deal and intend to spend £4 in the acquisition of new premises. Why £4M, I am positive that they could acquire suitable, centrally located property, say a farm, for considerably less. What of the £8M, it seems it is being distributed between pension fund and to be fair other areas but I cannot remember what, maybe somebody else will remember. £12M, pounds that is a huge amount of money, it is also time that the arts and other assets were liquidated for the benefit of dogs. Again I will say that the KC was established for the welfare of dogs, in my opinion it is becoming a comparison to the awful book "Animal Farm"?.Georginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-12448050277296904922013-12-17T02:50:51.240+00:002013-12-17T02:50:51.240+00:00Hi Jemima,
Why the interest in NEW ABS breeders? ...Hi Jemima,<br /><br />Why the interest in NEW ABS breeders? I would guess that NEW breeders were the ones least likely to have gotten bogged down with more dogs than free time. And people who have been breeding for more than 5 years, the ones more likely to be in the know, and to have friends to protect them.<br /><br />If the KC inspected new breeders to make sure they had proper kennel runs, then I might understand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-10539960081190350342013-12-17T01:32:31.403+00:002013-12-17T01:32:31.403+00:00I really believe that having too many dogs could m...I really believe that having too many dogs could make a person a bit crazy, but there is always the "Bred down or fed down?" question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-15989656226664964952013-12-17T01:23:33.387+00:002013-12-17T01:23:33.387+00:00I do NOT know the Frenchie breeders.
But if they ...I do NOT know the Frenchie breeders.<br /><br />But if they were Chihuahua breeders, what would you suspect might be happening?<br /><br />We are discussing growing puppies after weaning, from a small breed, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-66591382931207824562013-12-17T01:08:14.757+00:002013-12-17T01:08:14.757+00:00Does 2 puppies per litter sound normal for you for...Does 2 puppies per litter sound normal for you for an Kennel Club Assured Breeder? If they were simply animal hoarders they wouldn't have the status would they. Doesn't wash as a distraction.<br /><br />MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-31483587491719777692013-12-16T22:39:16.965+00:002013-12-16T22:39:16.965+00:00I have just spent 2 days trawling through the Kenn...I have just spent 2 days trawling through the Kennel Club Breed Record Supplement. As far as I can see these breeders have bred 5 litters since 2008 (a total of 10 puppies). They sound more like animal hoarders that breeders<br /><br />CarolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-44081679856916170152013-12-16T20:12:47.870+00:002013-12-16T20:12:47.870+00:00Anon 17:34, they are on shakey ground, they have f...Anon 17:34, they are on shakey ground, they have forgotten that they only exist because of the goodwill of dog breeders who wish to formalise their bloodlines and have traceability. There is no legal requirement to use their services, it is voluntary. I had suggested some time ago that if breeders refrained from registering their puppies for a month, the KC would go into shock. Their easy income stream would lost, they would then possibly appreciate the power of the breeder. Likewise if dog shows were suspended they would feel the same effect. It is time they stopped concentrating on beauty shows and turned their attention to the well being of dogs, all dogs, pedigree and non pedigree. I would think that the above revelation will open a can of worms for the KC and they will have to deal with it, and deal with it openly and honestly if they are retain any credibility within the genuine dog lovers world. But I'm not sure that they are up to that, I'm really not. Georginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-35172054876067378362013-12-16T20:01:34.862+00:002013-12-16T20:01:34.862+00:00Sadly I think you are incorrect. Accidents do ha...Sadly I think you are incorrect. Accidents do happen, as described in your note anon 17:47. An accident. The FB "ladies" were able to feed puppies and keep them "fit" until they were fully paid for (£1200/puppy) but the dogs that were "hangers on" and subsequently considered worthless until they could be bred from, and until that time were "thrown away in a crate. They physically and mentally took that decision, there is no grey area, they deliberately discarded those poor dogs until they could use them for money. Goodness knows what has truly happened to anything that was unsaleable or barren, they are callous, deliberate perpetrators of cruelty to another living being that was innocent and unable to protect itself. That is disgusting. Georginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-30950125873151186552013-12-16T17:47:23.925+00:002013-12-16T17:47:23.925+00:00You get an Mot on your car it passes on the way ou...You get an Mot on your car it passes on the way out of the testing station you clip the kerb with your nearside front tyre .One week later it bursts at 70mph on a motorway you swerve into Ford fiesta killing the occupants .Happily you were driving a large SUV.The point is any inspection done by anyone on anything relates to the date it was done. Unless you are going to inspect everyone every week things like this will happen. How many children die while supervised by social services how many people have domestic break ups how many people have mental breakdowns.This case looks more like a crazy pair of animal hoarders than active breeders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-76452745799672599612013-12-16T17:34:35.846+00:002013-12-16T17:34:35.846+00:00So why do they have this statement on their websit...So why do they have this statement on their website page then?<br /><br />'We are the UK’s largest organisation dedicated to protecting and promoting the health and welfare of all dogs'<br /><br />Those poor Frenchies in Norfolk seemed to have been excluded from that remit...<br /><br />Are they telling big porky pies to fool the public into buying dogs and keeping the breed clubs sweet to keep it the money rolling in?<br /><br />I wish someone could enlighten me to the point of their existence….<br />If they are just a registry, then fine do that. But don't try pretending to be something you're not. The KC do not care about the welfare of dogs from the evidence at hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-38037639172992497512013-12-16T16:03:36.972+00:002013-12-16T16:03:36.972+00:00The KC will survive as it has always done. Where n...The KC will survive as it has always done. Where necessary making cosmetic changes and talking a lot. The only people they are concerned about really are the breed clubs as that is where they get their money from. You only have to look at what happens when they do try to stand up against the breed clubs, vet checks being a great example to see that.<br /><br />When it comes to it, the public tends to be gullible and they rely on that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58880408640961495622013-12-16T14:20:15.626+00:002013-12-16T14:20:15.626+00:00What's more important? Judging dog shows or mo...What's more important? Judging dog shows or monitoring the welfare of pet dogs? Isn't it a no brainer?!<br /><br /> Being 'busy' is no excuse. It's a matter of priority. And if they can't staff the ABS scheme and manage it appropriately then they should not be promoting it! This latest scandal may well be the club's downfall. This is the 21st century. The public will not accept excuses. They want accountability. And rightly so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-37464352810975327142013-12-16T13:36:47.123+00:002013-12-16T13:36:47.123+00:00Only if it's not simply pushed to the side and...Only if it's not simply pushed to the side and excuses made. I've seen the excuses of "it's up to the buyers to be aware" and "every scheme has teething troubles" amongst others from show people. Not yes it's wrong and needs fixing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-28259684086193999762013-12-16T12:36:51.164+00:002013-12-16T12:36:51.164+00:00Sorry, forgot document http://www.thekennelclub.or...Sorry, forgot document http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/media/9846/abshealthreqs.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58202222026618158392013-12-16T11:29:51.495+00:002013-12-16T11:29:51.495+00:00Please see this document, and the definition:
&qu...Please see this document, and the definition:<br /><br />"a) Hip scoring – should be done under the KC/BVA Hip<br />Dysplasia Scheme."<br /><br />So in order to be a member of this scheme, if this is applied to your breed, you must use the BVA scheme (i.e. have a vet x-ray your dog and send the radiograph to be scored) and do this with all your own dogs, and not use outside stud dogs who have not been scored.<br /><br />This is a requirement for my breed in this association, and I hip score my own dogs under the BVA scheme. However, I shall not be applying to join this association, because I am not satisfied with the choice of dogs belonging to other people who have scores under the BVA system. Occasionally I might like to use a dog from abroad who has been scored under a different scheme, or a dog in this country with a pedigree I prefer that will produce a low COI and make the breed more sustainable (and in this case I would only use an older dog where I could see he was still sound, at an age where serious orthopaedic problems would likely be apparent). I can't force someone else to have what is an invasive (radiation and usually a general anaesthetic) procedure carried out on their dog, and I can't make someone in another country rescore their dog under a different scheme to their national one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-43512006460435154282013-12-15T22:22:23.841+00:002013-12-15T22:22:23.841+00:00Where oh where is the buyers responsibility in all...Where oh where is the buyers responsibility in all of this, why do people buy from obviously neglectful situations. Do people really not recognise a well reared birght eyed well cared for litter? . Why are they not returning the feedback forms???? I joined the ABS I think in 2009, reluctantly, as I didn't feel the need to prove my ethics, and do not wish to be pigeon holed, and ticking boxes, as one size , especially in a domestic setting will never fit all, and have yet to be visited. On the health testing required by the breed clubs (which are more than the compulsory ones on the ABS). Recentkly I ahve been lookigna fter a 10 month puppy I bred as the owners were havign to relocate,a dn I ahd al his paperwork back with him, and teh feedback form was still in teh folder I ahd given them, with all the other advice sheets I had carefully prepared, still obviously as I ahd given tehm, msot likley unread. the only thing that had been obviously looked at was the wormign data.. On enquirign with the KC it seems they ahve ahd 8 froms out of 36 puppies bred back. I find that figure dissapointing, but on reflection I beleive that is seen as a good return rate of about 20%. Oh why did I eventualy join, because everything in terh Kennel club advice basically suggests atht ABS members are the only reliable breeders, so using a form of coercion to get decent breeders with nothing to prove to join.:Barbaranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-60698705463194202002013-12-15T13:29:48.686+00:002013-12-15T13:29:48.686+00:00Where are you getting these stats? Number of dogs ...Where are you getting these stats? Number of dogs registered with the Kennel Club? They will be skewed if you are, since more and more people are going to puppy farms or e-pupz and similar sites for their pups nowadays :-( Pet puppy buyers aren't really fussed about paperwork, so don't care whether a pup is registered or not. I'm willing to bet that cockerpoos and labradoodles would also be in the top 10, if not at the top as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-46039329664895186672013-12-15T12:43:52.720+00:002013-12-15T12:43:52.720+00:00I hope that the club limits the number of litters ...I hope that the club limits the number of litters an assured breeder can have -the reverse of puppy farmers. How many is too many? I guess having one litter in the house is enough - and litters where any puppy is sold to be a pet or house dog should be raised inside with people. <br /><br />Some puppies are not sold until they are 3 or 4 months old. And the human caretaker should have a rest between litters, so that they have been looking forward to the litter.<br /><br />Two litters a year sounds like tops for an assured breeder - how else could anyone assure that the breeder had time to love another litter?<br /><br />Three litters would be getting away from the joy of puppies, and into breeding whole litters just to get one special show puppy, or extra money, or to meet and be with people, or just getting carried away with the breeder role.<br /><br />Once a year having a litter would make the event more special, but so long as the first litter was sold before starting on the second, that would allow attention for the puppies.<br /><br />More litters than that, Id say maybe the club should insisted that each dog have a walk-in kennel with an easy to clean hose-able surface, an automated watering system, kennel heating, warm soft bedding, paid inspections - once every early winter to make sure everyone is warm and fit for winter, and once every summer to make sure the kennels were built to be cool, or have fans, and that insects are being dealt with properly.<br /><br />Then people could choose to by from an assure home breeder with time for each litter, or an assured puppy farm, or a non-inspected non- assured breeder. <br /><br />As the system is currently, it seems they have it backward. But what should we expect from a group that rewards breeding dogs for deformities?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-63553188598181275292013-12-15T10:25:43.696+00:002013-12-15T10:25:43.696+00:00I do too, the mind set is inhuman, there is someth...I do too, the mind set is inhuman, there is something missing to be so oblivious to what is so obviously in front of one, the sight, the smell and the noise of whimpering, pain, distress. Yes, inhuman. The dogs denied water and food, and when the "ladies" were cooking or eating, whatever, can you imagine the agony for those poor dogs, smelling it, watching the ladies eat but being denied, it's cruelty on a whole new level. When the KC have set up a system to ensure that this type of thing stops and then fail to implicate it professionally puts them in a very bad light. Anyone who has bought a puppy from the "ladies" that developed a health issue, and<br />only bought the puppy because of the KC ABS, because what they saw had been "inspected and approved as good" by the KC indicates to me that the KC could be culpable for any "damages" caused to those new owners. In the form of the distress of the health and welfare issues of the puppy and all related costs. The wording on KCABS site could be deemed to be deliberately misleading for their own gain or am I just being too cynical and unkind, goodness I really hope so, but in the meantime think of the suffering of dogs living in the conditions above and as yet undiscovered because of "friends" loyalty and that horrible breeder happens to be a judge who may give them a cheap piece of cardboard at the next show. But mainly because the "approved" breeder is holding a certificate that declares that they are good responsible people who have never had an inspection by the issuing authority when in reality they are perpetrators of gross cruelty. All very sad and distressing, disgraceful.Georginanoreply@blogger.com