tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post7924091450741342200..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: The judges are revoltingJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-11069328547355398322014-07-18T23:45:54.685+01:002014-07-18T23:45:54.685+01:00This is one reason why change is so slow, dinosaur...This is one reason why change is so slow, dinosaurs don't adapt quickly - if at all. We can't follow the leaders anymore - the leaders are going the wrong way. We try to show them their errors (Sir, you are holding the map upside down.) but all we get is "Don't question my opinion, I have been doing this this way for decades" and "What problem, I don't see any problem".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-172313812549291462014-07-18T23:40:07.061+01:002014-07-18T23:40:07.061+01:00The question is: How do we get more of the judges ...The question is: How do we get more of the judges who wont see and understand to quit?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-63855379162514170232014-06-10T21:25:36.007+01:002014-06-10T21:25:36.007+01:00Well, good riddance, Mr Brace! May more judges of ...Well, good riddance, Mr Brace! May more judges of his ilk follow him and stop judging.<br />Now imagine a conformation show for humans, dogs judging, and Mr Brace being shown in the 'beauty' contest... Temperament will be considered as well! RescueTrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01366680727544051595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-20934147805263957812014-06-10T07:52:15.166+01:002014-06-10T07:52:15.166+01:00Well, something has to be done to stop you crazy n...Well, something has to be done to stop you crazy narcissists from continuing your relentless cruelty campaign. Although I do think that preventing you from breeding yourselves is cruel and extreme. However, a petition certainly isn't going to change the world's problems, but it might help further raise awareness of your idiotic behaviour against dogs. See what I did there!!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8769714638890824822014-06-09T22:35:19.856+01:002014-06-09T22:35:19.856+01:00prevent PEOPLE breeding.. get it? never mind humo...prevent PEOPLE breeding.. get it? never mind humor alludes most of you on this oh so serious blog where you cure all of the problems of the world with a petition..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-66855553708572064472014-06-08T11:18:23.139+01:002014-06-08T11:18:23.139+01:00I don't find that statement funny. But I find ...I don't find that statement funny. But I find it pretty sick that you do...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-52722890262138237692014-06-08T04:12:11.678+01:002014-06-08T04:12:11.678+01:00"I dont know much about the American Cocker S..."I dont know much about the American Cocker Spaniel used in this example except from what I've read on the internet of course,"<br />the plural of anecdote is not data<br />bestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-60305679052185478962014-06-08T04:00:33.045+01:002014-06-08T04:00:33.045+01:00again I say NO ONE is stopping you from doing jus...again I say NO ONE is stopping you from doing just that.. what is holding you back? I know one person who posts her on occasion who breeds "sight hounds" as mixes of various breeds and also some pedigreed dogs. I admire her for that. She does her own thing so why can't you do the same? You can do as she does and step right up and breed the husky type as most do for the Iditarod or sight hound types as she does..or retriever types if you hunt birds and would like a flat coat/ Irish cross or any other you prefer pick your favorite type and breed it..I prefer terriers .. so I breed them.. I do not see a need to cross breed them but if i did I would do it no matter what anyone said. You can also do this.. no problem. so far we are still able to breed any type of dog we prefer and that includes you as well. So get to it..bestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-91867889265521968702014-06-08T03:51:01.658+01:002014-06-08T03:51:01.658+01:00you do realize that many vets also show dogs? and ...you do realize that many vets also show dogs? and that many judges are also vets. or then again maybe not..if some vets "judge on the health and the functionality (sic) of the animal" then they would not be recommending castration and complete hysterectomies for puppies..which many of them do on a daily basis. bestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-66806572810473593232014-06-08T03:44:22.097+01:002014-06-08T03:44:22.097+01:00"... prevent people breeding for form not fun..."... prevent people breeding for form not function" LOL surely you got a laugh out of that .. one thing I have always appreciated in the British sense of humor.. oh well if only Monty Python were still together..what a sketch that would be.. bestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58505647199646011712014-06-07T13:55:31.205+01:002014-06-07T13:55:31.205+01:00How can a dog be 'dripping in breed type' ...How can a dog be 'dripping in breed type' but unable to walk? Surely this situation would never occur? Is Mr. Brace suggesting that it might be possible to have a dog that fits the breed standard perfectly and yet can't actually walk? Shurley shome mishtake (as they say in some quarters)Mrs. Dickinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-37622412441525972022014-06-03T16:23:52.987+01:002014-06-03T16:23:52.987+01:00Georgina, it is horrible beyond words.
These ar...Georgina, it is horrible beyond words. <br /><br /> These are not the dogs I want. I don't want to be told my choices are to be restricted to a list of predictability if it doesn't include any sort of reliability.<br /><br /> If we can change that rule, it removes the separation of priorities and the fixation on purity should follow.<br /> <br />AussieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-15473403975692842302014-06-03T16:08:24.657+01:002014-06-03T16:08:24.657+01:00The action I want is a say the direction domestic...The action I want is a say the direction domestic dogs take in their future evolution. As a dog owner, I have a stake in this. We all do.<br /><br />What is standing in my way is the rule that says K.C members can't cross breed.<br /> <br />Not that I want to join, but because I believe that rule stands in the way of environmental influence on the K.Cs, and K.C influence on us. That means you and me. <br />We are the environment the K.C exist in. And supposedly for, unless they want to drive breeding for us unwashed over to commercial breeders and just buy and sell amongst themselves. Its where they are headed.<br /><br /> If the K.Cs are to adapt with the times, there has to be room for input not based solely around purity.<br /><br />There are other things I'd like to change over time, but this rule is the single most damaging cause of problem both in and outside of the K.Cs. Getting rid of that one rule gives us a foot in the door so to speak.<br /><br />P.D.E shows perfectly just one of the reasons the current system isn't working. There are lots more, and they don't all involve pedigree dogs.<br /><br />The reasons all involve domestic dogs. Its single species with a shared origin. The origin is what our predecessors bred for. They bred for their own specific purposes, in their own specific environments, for the qualities they valued most.Tried and tested in their own backyards.<br /> <br />They did such a good job that way they became distinct types for distinct purposes.Those that did the best, most reliable job, or made us happiest were bred.If enough people valued the resulting pups, their line would continue until people didn't value it any more.<br /><br /> The K.Cs were formed to improve on what we all together created, and took the "WE" out the equation with the stroke of a pen.<br /><br /> Its not what "we" want. Its what they want as long as cross breeding isn't permitted by their members. <br /><br /> Most good breeders believe they joined the K.Cs because they want to improve their breeds, and have their best interest at heart. <br /><br /> There are many good breeders. They believe the K.Cs stand for quality, knowledge, history and best practices. <br /> They can't see thats been corrupted. As long as that 1 rule is in place, a pedigree CAN"T stand for those things. Because that single rule says implicitly that the 1st thing you need to be even an acceptable breeder is a pedigree as proof of purity.<br /> <br />One rule. It says mixed lines can't be good. If closed lines are good, more closed lines must be better. Refinement of type.<br /><br /> And no one who is acceptable to the K.C has any chance of showing them different because its not permitted.<br /><br /> As long as the K.Cs protest about backyard breeders and lay the blame for problems at their door, they work to undermine all domestic dogs. We share common foundations. There is no us and them. Pedigree dogs were created by "backyard" breeders.<br /><br /> So what I want before anything else is that single rule abolished.<br /><br /> AussieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-48501352884805080492014-06-03T12:17:37.007+01:002014-06-03T12:17:37.007+01:00I think this is a good idea. Better for change to ...I think this is a good idea. Better for change to come from within an organisation rather than be forced upon....however, no point ranting on here feeling helpless forever either...<br /><br />Jemima''s input would be invaluable here and she has to be supportive of this too.<br /><br /> I would say that we need to be very clear about what it actually is we want to change. There has to be a defined action - either through regulation/legislation/enforced action on organisations. Otherwise, it won't get taken seriously...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-12761724863687517592014-06-03T10:47:18.709+01:002014-06-03T10:47:18.709+01:00I hope Ronnie Irving is able to instigate change f...I hope Ronnie Irving is able to instigate change from within. <br /><br />I do think the Kennel Club could be doing more. I would prefer the Swedish KC to be held up as an example, as they are far ahead of Britain. Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-25419004354313670732014-06-03T09:14:32.878+01:002014-06-03T09:14:32.878+01:00Good idea Aussie because it seems to me that the m...Good idea Aussie because it seems to me that the more revelations we see the more disturbing it is becoming for the future of dogs. PDE is well placed to set up a petition because I assume the reason for it's existence is to alert people to the mutation of dogs so one would assume that one is going to follow the other in the passing of time. It's inevitable really because there is no point in us all becoming anxious and frightened for dogs, crippled by our inability to act publicly, using words to release our concern when in reality doing something such as a petition to Kennel Clubs internationally or Governments will put the problem out into the public domain. It will make the public aware of exactly what they are buying into, not a breed but a whole lot of painful deformity. RiverP or Retrieverman, apologies I can't remember who, brought it home when he said of the little black pug, if someone had taken a normal dog face and snapped the muzzle in two that person would be in prison for cruelty. Don't you think that that is a horrible analogy but is so painfully accurate it actually hurts to write the words. The public need to know the truth of the dishonesty in breeding pure bred dogs.Georginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-49511462141420050692014-06-03T01:44:28.390+01:002014-06-03T01:44:28.390+01:00Jemima,
Is there a way to set up a separate sec...Jemima, <br /><br /> Is there a way to set up a separate section on this blog for those of us who wish to work on a petition ? ( and maybe a supporting manifesto, I see no other way to keep a petition short)<br /> Thats if you are O.K with your blog being used for this purpose.<br /><br /> It would be very useful to have a record of suggestions and wording we could refer back to. It would also make for an uncluttered access to whats gone before and allow continuity.<br /><br /> AussieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-79042177872654512162014-06-02T20:45:34.217+01:002014-06-02T20:45:34.217+01:00Anon 4.43. I don't care if it is a bitch or ...Anon 4.43. I don't care if it is a bitch or a dog, the point I was making was the difference in shape, NOT SEX. The difference must be obvious to you or are you so angry with anyone who defies your thought processes that you just lash out stupidly. Just look at the photographs of the 3 basset hounds, which one looks like a dog that would enjoy a walk, up a hill, over rough ground, through water, on stones, along a lane, which one do you think would arrive home after a long walk with no sores, no limps, no sore eyes, ears ungrazed, which one anon 443? No I am not jealous of what judges can achieve, they are welcome to it if they have judged honestly with the care of the breed uppermost in their placings. However, if those appointments have been accepted because the judge hopes to gain favour, by placing a less than worthy dog because the owner is powerful and influential and may get more appointments then jealousy isn't the emotion I feel, it is loathing and utter dislike because to lower oneself to a real base level is so dangerous for dogs and dogdom. Because that judge is in a position of trust of the owners of the rest of the dogs who have entered, paid money in the hope for an honest opinion, when in reality it is just a total sham. And, if that has happened often and regularly then that is why pedigree dogs are in such a mess. Bestuvall, why don't you get a job digging up potatoes, much more satisfying than your present job.Georginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-42352106576734707982014-06-02T12:31:20.768+01:002014-06-02T12:31:20.768+01:00I can't see how judges or vets will be ever ch...I can't see how judges or vets will be ever choosing "compassionately and wisely" when they are so revolting.<br /><br />These are old school judges. Basically it will take time to get rid of them all, certainly the ones that believe pain and suffering due to intentional deformity are "only minor faults". <br /><br />Its painfully obvious that they all need to be thrown out with the bath water, the whole shebang! <br /><br />Andrew Brace is obsessed with type, the wrong type. He doesn't seem to realise that.<br /><br />You see you can't correct eyes with so much free skin hanging off a dogs head, you can't correct breathing difficulties with such deformed faces.......the issue is that the type is wrong ergo the whole dog is wrong if its eyes are a gapping mess of exposed raw conjunctiva and it's tripping over its own epidermis. <br /><br />It doesnt help if it is super typey, its the typey that is super incorrect.<br /><br />Stop worrying about slightly cow hocked or a little bit leggy or maybe a shoulder is a trifle straight or there is ticking in the white or the tail is slightly gay these are the insignificant minor faults.<br /><br />Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-42055852649331535392014-06-02T12:02:58.600+01:002014-06-02T12:02:58.600+01:00Good point Daniela.....
Unfortunately bestuvall is...Good point Daniela.....<br />Unfortunately bestuvall is extremely arrogant and is an unfortuante representaive of the human race who thinks that animals exist for their own manipulation and exploitation. This person disregards the fact that our pet dogs and colleagues are sentient beings with their own emotional world and feel pain and can suffer emotionally. Isn't that right bestuvall? At least, that is the distinct impression I have formed about you from your posts on here. You lack compassion, you are disrespectful of other people's opinions, even when they are based in empiricism. You don't like the fact that the dog show world, the breeding practices behind it and the terrible toll it has taken on the canine species has finally been exposed for what it is. <br /><br />A modern welfare scandal.<br /><br />Am I right??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-81328673934090220502014-06-02T11:21:00.420+01:002014-06-02T11:21:00.420+01:00Why do you find it so funny, Jan? Why do you find it so funny, Jan? Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-69116157797071565662014-06-02T10:44:30.248+01:002014-06-02T10:44:30.248+01:00@bestuvall where in the US constitution does it sa...@bestuvall where in the US constitution does it say you have the right to own a dog. The right to ""life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness exist". John Locke said we have the right to "life, liberty, and property", but the Constitution says otherwise. If you live somewhere OTHER then the US please show me exactly where it says you and everyone else where you live have the LEGAL RIGHT to own a dog.<br /><br />And please, let's not resort to using Ad hominems. You may believe us to be "PETA advocates", but that doesn't make us any less credible then you are.The fact that we care about animal welfare does not make us guilty of associating with PETA.Dogs Living +Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020471845692733005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-13750032863107454532014-06-02T04:49:14.046+01:002014-06-02T04:49:14.046+01:00"Do you want to prevent people breeding for f..."Do you want to prevent people breeding for form not function?"<br /><br />Yes I most certainly do.do Please start a petition and bring this very important point up bring this up at Parliament.. LOL that is the very best comment on this blog..ever..<br />bestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36724652353903909432014-06-02T04:43:20.516+01:002014-06-02T04:43:20.516+01:00the lemon and white is a bitch not a dog and would...the lemon and white is a bitch not a dog and would not be in the same class as the dog. Georgine . Do you have a judges license. It appears that you do when you write of placing the dog ( or bitch if you know the difference by a photo). You seem to have plenty of opinions by looking at pictures and you seem to be a bit jealous of how judges are treated .. and what benefits they receive. Why does any of that make a difference to you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-76481738559360443142014-06-01T22:45:55.077+01:002014-06-01T22:45:55.077+01:00Hahaha! Bestuvall strikes again. Accusing people w...Hahaha! Bestuvall strikes again. Accusing people who care about animal welfare as being AR activists. I would be a pretty shit PETA advocate. I eat meat, I wear leather and I occasionally venture to national hunt race meetings....I'd get kicked out on my ear.<br /><br />However I share my life with dogs as companions. Why would there be no vets if people did not breed dogs!! There are other animals in the world that we interact with and raise as livestock and keep as pets!! Bestuvall, have you ever read any biology? Have you ever heard of the concept of evolution? When I say, leave dogs alone, I want people like yourself who breed and show them and judge them on physical appearance and seem pretty clueless about health and welfare to leave them alone. If people like you left them alone, we wouldn't be in this mess. We would be breeding dogs for reasons that are morally sound. As companions, as colleagues. <br /><br />You have no right to manipulate the dogs' genome to satisfy your warped depravity. You do not deserve the privilege to share your life with a dog if you continue to mock people who, you know, actually give a shit about their future health and welfare.<br /><br />Sorry to swear but this person really does not have anything compassionate or even reasonable to contribute here!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com