tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post7210354199543346770..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: DNA blessings - and cursesJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-49774207118482878452011-02-10T11:10:12.445+00:002011-02-10T11:10:12.445+00:00Just wondering while of 'health tests' and...Just wondering while of 'health tests' and with the Kennel Club so keen on doing its best to have pedigree dogs 'Fit for Function' how come then one of the main tests - x-ray for hip dysplasia is not made 'Complusory' for All breeds??<br />Sure its primordial that a dog has decent hips to be able to move properly?<br />Yet the Kennel Club doesn't see necessary to introduce Hip Dysplasia x-rays for all breeds - so where is your 'Fit for Funcion' then???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-45918446531641326222011-02-04T23:39:55.093+00:002011-02-04T23:39:55.093+00:00What traits are they looking at collating EBV'...What traits are they looking at collating EBV's for and how will they be measured? For instance I have found a link in Pugs between natural births in the maternal lines of a sire and the ability for his offspring to be born naturally. While this is hardly a widespread or scientific study it is certainly something I will continue to look for in a potential sire.Katrinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-41901888990860969872011-02-02T08:34:17.684+00:002011-02-02T08:34:17.684+00:00I just don't understand why you and others eve...I just don't understand why you and others even care about pure bred dogs.. no one forces you to breed to any dog .. you may out cross.. cross breed, breed an Irish Water Spaniel to a Poodle if you want too.and then breed that to an Italian Greyhound. no one is stopping you.. create your own breeds.. start your own registries.. keep your own stud books.. do your own 'versions' of health testing.. why trash the KC and AKC .. no one forces you to use their services.. absolutely NO ONE<br />You never have to register a dog with either group.. no need to 'hope for change' to a system that you obviously believe is broken.. start your own 'registry and pedigree data base' with your own criteria for what you and others who agree with you feel is appropriate to accomplish the goals you wish to reach... and stop whining.<br /><br />and the DNA for PLL is not only FABULOUS news.. it was done with the cooperation of breeders.. not to mention the funding from breeders and the KC and the AKC.. here is the funding source for the major study that was done in the uk;<br /><br />Funding<br /><br />UK Kennel Club Charitable Trust; American Kennel Club Canine Health Foundation (Acorn Award Grant No. 567).<br /> I don't see your name here..so when you start your own registry.. I do hope you will be funding your own studies to further the health of what ever you wish to call your new 'breeds'..<br /><br />leave it to you to hear great news .. and then 'niggle' about it.. you are not 'for optimism' .. far from it..if you can find a flaw.. or make a complaint.. you will.. the KC did not say they WOULD eliminate or eradicate disease.. they only said they had taken one more step toward this worthy goal but reading between the lines makes for blogging material that is endless in its complaints and criticismsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-17355785282908010082011-01-30T23:16:46.286+00:002011-01-30T23:16:46.286+00:00The back cross IWS, although offered at stud, has ...The back cross IWS, although offered at stud, has not been used almost certainly because it's not seen as a pedigree.<br />One of the IWS x lab crosses are suspected of having been used as a single pup registered months after the rest of the litter from someone who has one of these dogs suddenly crops up now and again.<br />The issue for me is not that it has taken place but the deception. I can understand back in 2003 why the KC weren't approached but if one cannot rely on the dogs in your own pedigree being legitimate then trying to determine modes of inheritance becomes an impossible task.David Wilcoxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-82474596799869037942011-01-30T19:14:41.907+00:002011-01-30T19:14:41.907+00:00Ah that's right... I remember now. Why has the...Ah that's right... I remember now. Why has the backcrossed IWS not been used here at stud? Have the descendents of the IWS x lab litter been bred from?<br /><br />JemimaJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-14152885500285968122011-01-30T19:02:37.481+00:002011-01-30T19:02:37.481+00:00Yes indeed, Inge Fischer, a German living in Franc...Yes indeed, Inge Fischer, a German living in France (and an IWS person) with her partner (a Big Barbet person)crossed an IWS with a Barbet as I understand it, because she was fed up with losing IWS to cancer (a big problem). This was then back crossed to an IWS and registered with the French. By reciprocal agreement an IWS two generations removed was then allowed into the UK.<br />Unfortunately, it has not been used at stud, even tho' it is a lovely looking IWS. However, this cross has been moved on in Holland.<br />This is a good example, where everything was very transparent. There is an online pedigree database for IWS where this cross and the descendants are clear for all to see.<br />We also have a very bad example in the UK where a litter of IWS x labs were registered as IWS, but unfortunately, for something not as noble as gentic health.David Wilcoxhttp://www.fendrake.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-69709049540541817932011-01-30T18:48:57.727+00:002011-01-30T18:48:57.727+00:00Irish Water Spaniels? (Thank the lord for Google.....Irish Water Spaniels? (Thank the lord for Google...). Am I right in remembering some interesting outcrossing going on in France? (Seem to remember mention of it on one of the canine genetics lists some time ago.) <br /><br />I had an Irish Water Spaniel x girl through my rescue recently. Gorgeous she was:<br /><br />http://www.blackretrieverx.co.uk/Black_Retriever_X_Rescue/Holly_1.html<br /><br />JemimaJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-38278274756862638672011-01-30T16:18:05.088+00:002011-01-30T16:18:05.088+00:00Another superbly explained article that is bang on...Another superbly explained article that is bang on the money.<br />The fairytale world that many breeders live in whereby they think they can navigate through the many genetic conditions prevalent in breeds by health testing, and get healthy, genetically diversified breeds, without fundamentally addressing breeding practices is just despairing.<br />In my breed, one of the native endangered(the euphemistic term vulnerable, isn't appropriate)there are small breeding populations in only a handful of countries. Whilst it is very much a working gundog breed, health matters appear to reside with a group of predominantly American show breeders who churn out the same old tired stuff about testing for health. When they are challenged about not line breeding, using low COIs (low that is by pedigree dog standards) and heaven forbid, introducing fresh genetic material from another breed to replenish the junk status of the breed's genetic diversity, they trot out the same old show breeder knows best rubbish that is completely at odds with modern genetic knowledge.<br />Please keep the good stuff coming.David Wilcoxnoreply@blogger.com