tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post4933504260769344184..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: GSDs: the enduring tragedyJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-5736452385443178522016-03-09T10:41:16.949+00:002016-03-09T10:41:16.949+00:00I'm ashamed this dog is from my country. Truly...I'm ashamed this dog is from my country. Truly disgusting. Not only is the dog not performing well, but the conformation is horrendous. I'm surprised they were allowed to breed this dog...renhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16631027712561648109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-69881957690367459172016-02-11T00:16:11.312+00:002016-02-11T00:16:11.312+00:00Conformation mean how a dog is put together, there...Conformation mean how a dog is put together, there are healthy norms for this, so to say that there is no perfect conformation is incorrect. There are many faults in conformation that are quite rightly penalised. When a dog is hip scored the hip conformation is assessed against an ideal, even though minor deviations are expected and perfectly healthy. This applies equally to other features, be they what nature requires or what man has decided best suits our purpose. That does not mean that the puprpse when purely asthetic should go to the kind of extremes that compromise a dogs welfare. I am sure you do not want to see all breeds that have floppy ears, long and very short coats etc to no longer be bred ditto dogs of varying size, etc, or do you think all dogs should all conform to the basic wolf ancestor phenotype? I'm sure you don't as you mention various colour variants (and merle is not exactly healthy except in single dose). I probably agree with you in geenral that is why my choice of breed is one of the ancient and very moderate Spitz types.Barbaranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8521147070323602812016-02-05T17:21:30.767+00:002016-02-05T17:21:30.767+00:00That's nothing to forgive, and conformation is...That's nothing to forgive, and conformation is not perfection. Variation in appearance is a normal part of any genetically diverse population. If you look at naturally occurring landrace dogs, wolves, and other animals, you'll see that although they're somewhat uniform in appearance, there are still differences among individuals. Thankfully, some pure breeds are still allowed to have this, e.g. Australian cattle dogs (heelers) can be blue or red, border collies come in black, brindle, merle, etc. The Old German herding dogs, from which GSDs descend, are still quite diverse, but now the GSD is sorely lacking in genetic diversity, making heritable disorders more likely. Dog fanciers should stop thinking of variation as a fault (or something to overlook), and start embracing it as healthy.AmericanLionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10224557937576435963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-2307268222144228142016-02-04T08:17:14.739+00:002016-02-04T08:17:14.739+00:00You misunderstood! I was using the 'white che...You misunderstood! I was using the 'white chest' comment to illustrate that it is a minor cosmetic issue, obviously forgiven, despite the oft raised criticism of pedigree dog judging being focused only on cosmetic perfection.Barbaranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-44385369524229741122016-01-29T02:48:00.777+00:002016-01-29T02:48:00.777+00:00Precisely, Anon. So many dog types from working ba...Precisely, Anon. So many dog types from working backgrounds (including herding) have been split up and ruined by the dog fancies obsession with conformation and "correctness." Who cares if German shepherds have white on them or not? Who cares how many different forms of Belgian shepherd there are? Who cares if mastiffs are fawn or brindle? All of this is nonsense, and what's more, it shrinks the dog gene pool and makes dogs more prone to genetic disorders. This constant splitting and shaping has got to stop.AmericanLionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10224557937576435963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-53124465957701351992016-01-25T03:47:27.956+00:002016-01-25T03:47:27.956+00:00Truly remarkable! Ignore those teeth at your peril...Truly remarkable! Ignore those teeth at your peril. <br /><br />A lot of little dogs make excellent guard dogs, the pocket pistols of the dog world. <br /><br />They should have a mini class and use a tiny dumbbell! There is definitely a need for such dogs where a bigger dog would be a nuisance and complete flop.<br /><br />Just one example how this size up to about a shortish JRT size are extremely useful, is for keeping armed carjackers arms out of your car window (even partially closed windows) at stop streets and traffic lights. They have indeed saved lives this way in parts of the world where armed carjacking is rife.<br /><br />A large dog would of course also have to flatten you to get at the target so not so useful in tight spaces like a car where you need that 100% mobility.<br /><br />Fearless, remarkable recall, digital precision! <br /><br />Dogital har har!Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-52611440564871370722016-01-25T03:05:03.278+00:002016-01-25T03:05:03.278+00:00I don't think the white chest is "wrong&q...I don't think the white chest is "wrong" as much as it is another example of the ridiculousness of conformation priorities. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-80436751000033451922016-01-24T18:31:48.260+00:002016-01-24T18:31:48.260+00:00Who cares about a white blaze on the chest. Ridicu...Who cares about a white blaze on the chest. Ridiculous.AmericanLionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10224557937576435963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-11683468499117139132016-01-22T23:36:51.853+00:002016-01-22T23:36:51.853+00:00This http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmKoira.aspx...This http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmKoira.aspx?RekNo=FIN61486/08&R=166.2 is the English translation of her Koiranet (Finnish Database) entry.<br /><br />She's far from being a top winner, just the one CAC, nor were her littermates stellar achievers, her littermates all had much better hip results though. Both parents were title holders. The COI of the litter was 0, <br /><br />I notice you posted an awful US winner, but made no mention of the very unexagerated by comparison more functional bitch that recently won BIS at the US National (despite the white patch on her chest).Barbaranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-13077499806943413022016-01-09T18:57:57.202+00:002016-01-09T18:57:57.202+00:00I agree that the temperament is not present in thi...I agree that the temperament is not present in this dog for the tasks it's being asked to perform. But the structure is not there, either. Yes, even the most moderate, functional working line GSDs look a little odd when heeling during the IPO events - they're not walking at a normal pace for canines - but the running is where the structural deformity is really telling. And this dog looks nothing like the working line GSDs I've seen perform the same tasks. Merriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12569399662021156149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-4829888141717164142016-01-08T19:25:06.841+00:002016-01-08T19:25:06.841+00:00Actually I think it might be time for pedigree dog...Actually I think it might be time for pedigree dogs exposed part three. There are all,sorts of issues left to be covered. Call it "qualzucht" PED part three.<br /><br />I recently chastised publicly a well know entertainment personality who was waxing lyrical on National TV about how cute French Bulldogs were. He doesn't own one but implied he was in the market for one " they are so darling etc".......no clue, he was genuinely shocked to learn of all their problems and has now taken to GSs (sounds of hair being pulled out) though what he will actually end up with ......... Bit of an extreme and fickle leap in the other direction. I reckon there is always need for another PED, the situation can never receive enough publicity. <br /><br />I just sent him this blog link, I didn't have the heart to do it to him again on the GS thing. Thing is he is trying to turn this getting a dog thing into a publicity stunt but hasn't it seems actualy thought about the breeds properly or their alternatives. I don't think many people do until its,perhaps too late......Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-40293552599434372802016-01-08T07:08:23.138+00:002016-01-08T07:08:23.138+00:00100% agree with you there. And even if these dogs ...100% agree with you there. And even if these dogs are not technically cripples yet they will surely become so moving like that their whole short lives.<br /><br />Any dog I might have had that ended up walking like this were literally on their last legs, a couple of months or so left before they've died or been put to sleep. It's a hugely distressing thing to go through. That people actually breed for this is completely out to lunch.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-18544126798383512792016-01-08T06:58:05.920+00:002016-01-08T06:58:05.920+00:00Yes this dog does not deserve Sch1 its completely ...Yes this dog does not deserve Sch1 its completely meaninglless, there is also the danger the title can be used to promote its progeny.<br /><br />Many of the showing worlds trials and purpose tests are also completely meaningless, designed specifically to in fact show what little apptitude and functionality is left in a breed which is not much. They are a sham on which dogs are then promoted and used for breeding to produce yet more useless mutts. The silly title that's the most worthy amongst silly titles Amricans seem so obsessed with for their dogs are the ones used to test a dogs suitability for visiting sick people in hospitals.<br />Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-10523547469466440172016-01-08T06:43:53.816+00:002016-01-08T06:43:53.816+00:00Coyotes are facinating predators. But quite honest...Coyotes are facinating predators. But quite honestly you don't have to go quite so far back in Canine evolution to wolves and the like as magnificently efficient as they are to find fault with the show GS. Even a corgi can run more efficiently and effectively than this. <br /><br />A corgi is also something that has its origins in herding of course however luckily for it no one has seen it necessary to turn it into a car crash victim with a bizarrely placed pelvis and crumpled hind end. <br /><br />Even with its archodroplastic joints a corgi can open up a thousand times more efficiently than an American show GS. BTW a dog is designed to do more than just a spastic trot. Imagine if we were limited to doing a hideously odd crouched knock kneed, heels out wobble? People would assume we were polio victims, sufferers of some unfortunate disease.<br /><br />Breeders of these dogs should be ashamed of turning this lovely dog into the mess it is, completely ashamed. That no one noticed the insidious progress from a functional dog to this creeping monster within the showing GS fraternity is just mind boggling. Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-71251459712417950222016-01-07T21:46:59.966+00:002016-01-07T21:46:59.966+00:00The first video appears to be another temperament ...The first video appears to be another temperament test; it's not schutzhund. Jafri would probably act in a very similar way if she had better training. She seems to have about the same level of drive as the dog in this video.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64351002345260840052016-01-07T17:54:03.667+00:002016-01-07T17:54:03.667+00:00Yes, coyotes are designed for survival, so they mo...Yes, coyotes are designed for survival, so they move correctly and efficiently. If that is a slur, then woe be to all who are produced by that breeder.Mikkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13583324614847679562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-86105260894681144792016-01-07T15:33:43.017+00:002016-01-07T15:33:43.017+00:00Jemima, How about trying to use crowdfunding to r...Jemima, How about trying to use crowdfunding to raise money, then pursue a private prosecution against the GSD breeders club for causing unnecessary suffering? Until the law steps in these people will continue down their own path.<br /><br />Chris R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-41942072642413920512016-01-07T14:34:11.880+00:002016-01-07T14:34:11.880+00:00If I walked out my front door and saw any of my do...If I walked out my front door and saw any of my dogs moving like this I would immediately think it had been hit by a car and rush it to the vets. These people simply have no clue what a healthy and sound dog should move like.<br />David Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09756522930997225782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-3269748992463092572016-01-06T23:50:20.793+00:002016-01-06T23:50:20.793+00:00Good point re the Schutzhund title. Will amend.
Good point re the Schutzhund title. Will amend.<br />Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-66973412597754139102016-01-06T23:44:56.118+00:002016-01-06T23:44:56.118+00:00Honestly, this seems far more of a temperament iss...Honestly, this seems far more of a temperament issue than a structure issue. The dog is not at all motivated. The woman is also walking at an extremely slow pace while demanding an extremely close heel and that is going to force the dog to walk funny.<br /><br />Here is a video of a German Showline dog doing Schutzhund - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa9_gP9XVOU<br />He is obviously very different temperamentally. He actually goes for the sleeve, and wants it bad enough to actually run.<br /><br />Even moderately structured workingline German Shepherds can walk with the same motion, as seen in this video of a young dog learning heeling - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHcZdq2SX0<br />Because the handler is moving slowly the dog is forced into an odd amble to stay in heel.<br /><br />Not saying the example dog should have been given best bitch, and not saying I have much knowledge on the state of the GSD in Finland, but I wouldn't call her crippled structurally, though perhaps without the temperament that a GSD should have.<br /><br /><br />Also -- top Schutzhund titles? Really? She only has a SchH1, far, FAR from a top Schutzhund title. Please try to keep from exaggerating, as it leaves people misinformed, and many people who read on your blog that a "Crippled German Shepherd has top Schutzhund titles and show titles! This breed has gone to hell!!1!"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04219646952276898602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-68903483509801312892016-01-06T16:23:11.792+00:002016-01-06T16:23:11.792+00:00Coyotes are great though! Beautiful animals with l...Coyotes are great though! Beautiful animals with lots of endurance. That's a compliment in my opinion. Narahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03072189910973077661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-85989936771999796022016-01-06T10:32:31.817+00:002016-01-06T10:32:31.817+00:00You are universally slammed by pedigree breeders. ...You are universally slammed by pedigree breeders. That shows you are doing something right. They so want you to shut up...don't ever. I love the GSD but couldn't touch a SL. Got my newest pup by choosing a champion WT dog. Pleased to say he has a hip score of 3 and elbows 0, and is a jack in the box! He would no doubt be 'spat on' by show breeders.....and that's good enough for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-79559993893704583852016-01-06T10:28:00.977+00:002016-01-06T10:28:00.977+00:00Please don't ever give up reporting on GSDs Je...Please don't ever give up reporting on GSDs Jemima....they are a real tragedy and perhaps over and over again if it is shown they may have to change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-53896568544821103362016-01-06T10:27:02.036+00:002016-01-06T10:27:02.036+00:00The ultimate tragedy is the blindness of those in ...The ultimate tragedy is the blindness of those in the breed to accept what they have produced is not a comformationally well structured dog. That they cannot see this deformity but see it as a beautiful thing, and worse still as they will tell you over and over CORRECT is the ultimate tragedy. I always remember a SL breeder describing the very athletic 'working line' dogs as coyotes. Said it all really.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58985013019265606972016-01-06T03:19:17.391+00:002016-01-06T03:19:17.391+00:00Painful to watch. 8-(Painful to watch. 8-(Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11988735723510878162noreply@blogger.com