tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post478821707500355366..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: A parade of mutantsJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger258125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-74198217205621796632015-08-26T10:08:28.696+01:002015-08-26T10:08:28.696+01:00Hmmm They dont look like mutant? i prefer to say t...Hmmm They dont look like mutant? i prefer to say they are cute :)MaxAlvarado of American Bully Dailyhttp://americanbullydaily.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-68810328235656341992015-06-13T04:57:58.042+01:002015-06-13T04:57:58.042+01:00You should be sacked. There is no evidense to be s...You should be sacked. There is no evidense to be seen of your breed health coordination.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-45424419873971989592015-05-24T00:52:34.536+01:002015-05-24T00:52:34.536+01:00Dog show people are insane these days. They breed ...Dog show people are insane these days. They breed for deformities not good health like they should be. That what dog shows were made for, showing off dogs of good health and breeding. But these day's it's the total opposite. Not all Neos look like this. In fact only those that show people breed look like this. A normal neo looks like a regular English Mastiff crossed with a Cane Corso with on a bit of wrinkles. Hell most people think normal looking Neos are a Cane Corso thanks to show dog breeders. Thanks to the show dog people most people think Neos are ugly deformed creatures. Like how most people think a German Shepherd should have a sloped back now a days. True German Shepherds bred to the breed standard should have a rather straight back with very little rear sloping. Those mutant German Shepherds are so sloped their butt touches the ground. While the dog is stand straight up on all fours... So gross!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-6795525018990352892015-03-29T00:59:57.299+00:002015-03-29T00:59:57.299+00:00I totally agree, I love this breed but its been he...I totally agree, I love this breed but its been heading down a bad path for the past 20+ yrs, AKC acceptance just accelerated the process. This is worse than the ruin of the EB, these dogs can't see properly!MsAreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16757882570047141859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-28684138392581986512014-04-30T18:53:47.101+01:002014-04-30T18:53:47.101+01:00They have been completely improved if you see them...They have been completely improved if you see them today! These are obviously old photos and show the worst ones but there has been a dramatic change!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07017124975360187510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-20986379044110789922014-03-21T21:20:11.335+00:002014-03-21T21:20:11.335+00:00thank the good lord who made us all that working g...thank the good lord who made us all that working gun dogs are bred for their ability to work not to conform to some ridiculous appearance standard. I wish that an organisation like basc would take on the breed records of gun dogs to keep them well away from crufts. you only have to look at the difference between show and working springers, (now two separate breeds! ) to see the harm that breeding for appearance does, crufts have a lot to answer forAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1144158502909322222014-02-09T20:43:18.975+00:002014-02-09T20:43:18.975+00:00I saw no up-date on this Special Dog! all were 201...I saw no up-date on this Special Dog! all were 2011 ? is their on 2013 or2014? I saw it in the Los Angeles Times , 'PRADE This Morning 8-9-2014 and said to look it up on Breeds Name!? and the person who wants to 'BAND THEM NOW"? I think he looks BEAUTFUL AND LOVEABLE DOG. Thank YouAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-80850131933400620012013-12-17T18:46:39.118+00:002013-12-17T18:46:39.118+00:00Well said Beth. Common sense and a breath of fresh...Well said Beth. Common sense and a breath of fresh air. Not sure if it will do any good or not...suspect not. As I have been saying for years, the dog world has little to do with the poor dogs. Just an ego booster. Pamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-78828313840973745712013-08-10T20:24:51.018+01:002013-08-10T20:24:51.018+01:00you stupid cow, let go of your silly pedigree obse...you stupid cow, let go of your silly pedigree obsession and let dogs be healthy, imo pedigree dog breeders are thicker than the inbred dogs they breedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-3722469041926624072013-06-13T19:19:10.662+01:002013-06-13T19:19:10.662+01:00you will notice, however, that the important senso...you will notice, however, that the important sensory organs of such wild mammals are free from wrinkles that inhibit their normal functioning! Merriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12569399662021156149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64769363078633473322013-05-12T06:46:03.674+01:002013-05-12T06:46:03.674+01:00I looked at some of the pictures on Midgard Kennel...I looked at some of the pictures on Midgard Kennel's Napoletean Mastiffs (breeding for the old working type) from the link provided in a comment above. Sure his dogs look much much healthier and a far cry from the sorry misfosters these dogs commonly look like today , BUT they are working guard and boar dogs, and I don't think most families looking for a giant family pet need, or can handle, these incredible strong, fast, driven creatures. Not to mention that several of the breeds he outcross them with are illegal breeds where I come from - for good reasons! They can be extremely dangerous.<br /><br />What I would like to see for this breed and all other breeds is healthy pet-lines without exaggerations. Bred for function over form yes, but with function being healthy conformity and health overall, natural looks, great temper and traits that optimise them as canine family members, not interior decoration or tribe badges or ego enhancers (or tools ... if we talk pure pet-lines). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-48959895340886100822013-05-07T06:26:47.164+01:002013-05-07T06:26:47.164+01:00I have a gorgeous, healthy, non exaggerated female...I have a gorgeous, healthy, non exaggerated female Mastino Neapolitano. If you look at pictures of Neapolitans from 40-50 years ago, she is the perfect example of what Neos used to look like. But the "funny" thing is, people who know very little about Neapolitans, think that she is an oversized pitbull mix, because they are so used to seeing hippo looking Neos in shows that can barely move, have difficulty getting up, eating and seeing. Pandora is athletic, muscular without any health problems. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1629402248066858522013-05-06T23:48:26.325+01:002013-05-06T23:48:26.325+01:00You have got to be kidding.You have got to be kidding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-30772541206544587312013-03-20T15:32:57.757+00:002013-03-20T15:32:57.757+00:00*their
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a REAL lawyer would be a...*their<br />*anon<br />*journalist<br /><br />a REAL lawyer would be able to spell ....Dixybluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15366570316247933813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-82528805157499595532013-03-10T21:11:27.183+00:002013-03-10T21:11:27.183+00:00what the ... did I just read ?
I know you get a...what the ... did I just read ? <br />I know you get a lot of hot headed rants on here but at least they are relatively coherent. <br />Can I have the 15mins of my life back that I spent trying to make sense of this ? <br /><br />Anyway, back in the real world - <br />Well done Jemima on your brave campaign - I think you have done a wonderful job in shining a spotlight on the Emperors New Clothes attitude towards deformity in dog breeds.Dixybluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15366570316247933813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-67249535070483799892013-03-10T18:45:42.261+00:002013-03-10T18:45:42.261+00:00I love how people assume it is slander/against the...I love how people assume it is slander/against the breed/hating the breed/wanting rid of dogs to publish a photograph of a dog that looks unhealthy. I adore pekingese, I have one and love the breed always have. I show mine and have won many-But I cannot abide the disgusting unhealthy overly flat face that was standard before this docu and unfortunately will take decades to breed out. By the nasty logic displayed in these comments disliking unhealthy examples of pekingese must mean I hate the breed right? Sadly things will never change with even Crufts insiders warning against 'Animal rights activists' taking photos. Thank god they do. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-34669440686324304042013-03-08T09:59:25.309+00:002013-03-08T09:59:25.309+00:00In fact, this type of Mastiff, Neapolitan Mastiff ...In fact, this type of Mastiff, Neapolitan Mastiff is not the true in the old days, there were two types of mastiffs, the light type more like the dog being from whom, and what Zaccaro, lower and heavier. these are ipertipici, apathetic and lacking in character that it was the hound in property, I am from Naples and I lived in Naples until last year, in my past 35 years I have had the opportunity to see the best of this breed, but now are only a shadow of what were the old vestige of a wonderful dogAniellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07970881174376394963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-26534787503794776372012-08-20T15:12:10.514+01:002012-08-20T15:12:10.514+01:00What a load of rubbish! i have a neo 2 year old gi...What a load of rubbish! i have a neo 2 year old girl,<br />with no problems at all,<br /><br />Tony DeakinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-52775865420086129022012-07-09T15:04:38.250+01:002012-07-09T15:04:38.250+01:00Everyone pls think of on how to change written sta...Everyone pls think of on how to change written standards so that healthy breeding should be promoted.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-29310592742256541652011-12-21T02:12:31.894+00:002011-12-21T02:12:31.894+00:00This was a fantastic read. The discourse between J...This was a fantastic read. The discourse between Julia and Sarah was particularly interesting. I believe that the Neapolitan Mastiff displayed and dragged around a show ring is a mere shadow of what they should be. Serious work must be done by breeders but more importantly - JUDGES bear the brunt of the responsibility to kick the crappy, unhealthy, sacks of skin and drool out of the ring. It will only take a few times for breeders and exhibitors to "get it."Molosserdogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08169518530921165097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-34540000980537364312011-08-23T13:06:42.455+01:002011-08-23T13:06:42.455+01:00it will take years for changes to start becoming ...it will take years for changes to start becoming visible, after all it takes years for new generations of dogs, this isen't going to happen overnight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-18377874576192117222011-06-26T10:14:40.262+01:002011-06-26T10:14:40.262+01:00These show Neos do not represent a form suitable f...These show Neos do not represent a form suitable for the breed's original function. Compare one of these dogs to a well bred working Neo and the comparison speaks for itself. <br />Granted other breeds have their problems and that is why there are working line German shepherds etc and roached backed etc dogs are avoided by those wishing to have a physically capable dog. A breed standard should be in place to maintain a form which is best suited to the dog's original intention and should not be taken to extremes. <br />As for high cancer etc in other breeds, yes this needs to be investigated and tested for etc but high cancer levels are not being actively bred for, however excessive skin and ponderous movement resulting in a cruel, physically limited dog are being actively bred for in the above Neos. Why would any of you want to reduce a dog's function by making it less physically capable, especially a working breed!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-43362488837149762992011-06-10T13:09:09.381+01:002011-06-10T13:09:09.381+01:00The neapolitan mastiff owners seem to have issues...The neapolitan mastiff owners seem to have issues with Dr Crispin for being able to spot a diamond eye conformation (after only 30 years plus ophthalmology experience) merely from a picture- this makes her opinion worthless. I would therefore like to say I have met 23 of these dogs in my job as a vet and I have operated on every single one to correct poor lid conformation. These were all registered dogs and 12 of them were theoretically "show standard".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-15923628496909027512011-03-28T15:40:51.783+01:002011-03-28T15:40:51.783+01:00This is a typical to and fro between the breeders ...This is a typical to and fro between the breeders (and owners) of the said breed, to those who would question it's health and exaggeration. I used to argue with GSD show people on the GSD ped database until about a year ago, when I realised that they had their heads in boxes and their hand on their puppy money (not to forget their trophies), to EVER admit there was anything wrong with the breed, much less do anything about it. Heather, Sarah etc couldn't agree more, excellent points intelligently made. Sadly, never to be understood by some. <br />I fully support Jemima, and yes, other breeds will and should be put up to scrutiny. The fact is the breeders of all these breeds have had it within their power to recognise the problems and make the necessary changes years ago. But they didn't take any action, other than to breed more and more exaggeration in. So what it actually took for some breeds to even 'consider' possible problems in their breed was a kick up the arse in the form of PDE. The fault lies with the breeders - no one else. I have long thought that breeders as judges, and as 'guardians' of 'their' breed do not go well together, breed blindness seems to be a powerful thing, and there are too many agenda's at work. I don't take anything away from those who are trying to influence the breed for the better, but what I find a little worrying is that a change in conformation doesn't appear to be their apparent choice of action. This to me always reflects a desire to keep appearance as it is and try and address the health problems that result by other means. Same with GSDs and no doubt most other 'breedwatch' breeds too.KDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-32637858465053272842011-03-27T04:05:35.768+01:002011-03-27T04:05:35.768+01:00I think many people are missing the point here. Th...I think many people are missing the point here. The real problem with the Neo or any other breed of registered dog is not just the breed standard, and thus the poor dogs that are bred to look a certain way, or the judges who choose the most extreme individuals to be champions, but the inbreeding necessary in order to reach that standard. This inbreeding limits the gene pool so severally that eventually all members of any breed are nearly clones of each other; complete with whatever genetic maladies that breed (family) may carry.<br />As for the comment someone made about banning all dog breeding: yes, this would eventually empty the shelters, but it would also eventually make the dog extinct. Something no true dog lover wants to happen. Like everything in life, no matter what the subject, you’re going to have bad and sad examples. As long as there are dogs and irresponsible people you will have too many dogs. So in this particular forum do we tackle the question of too many dogs or of breeding dogs with such exaggerated physical traits they become unhealthy and even painful for the dog? There is only so much any one of us can do in any one area. <br />I think breeding inbred dogs with such exaggerated physical traits that it harms the dogs health in any way is as irresponsible as someone breeding a litter of puppies just to take them down to the local shelter. If you breed, breed responsibly. And by responsibly I mean do no harm to the dogs you produce.<br />I think the biggest health problem among dogs in general is caused by the “purebred mystic”; the belief that for a dog to have any innate value it must descend from a special line of purebred animals. Believing you can take a set number of individual complex organisms, isolate them from the general population (whether physically separated as in stranded on an island, or simply “registered’ with a breed club), and never let any new “blood” in is ridiculous. No one would ever think they could place 100 people on an isolated island and leave them there for a thousand years and then come back and find the island populated with the most perfect physical specimens of humanity on earth. Yet this is exactly what breeders of purebred dogs believe. What we outlaw amongst humans they practice with dogs.<br />I am an advocate of genetic diversity; cross-breeding in less euphemistic terms. When someone says it would take six or eight generations to improve a breed (and I think they’re being overly optimistic at that), they’re talking about staying within their breed while trying to do so. A marked improvement would be made in one generation if a Neo breeder were to breed a sound bitch (if one can be found) to a sound greyhound. What an improvement over the present Neo phenotype the resulting pups would be. This is what animal husbandry is all about; noting faults in your animals and breeding them out by breeding to an animal that has traits that will erase those faults. Of course crossing a Neo with some other breed of dog would give you a mutt, and no AKC or UKC breeder wants anything to do with that. <br />So as long as dog breeders believe they can breed from a limited gene pool infinitely, and also write standards calling for exaggerated physical features they are going to continue creating poor animals considered monstrosities by those of us with a bit of common sense and compassion. <br />David C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com