tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post4184755164847930428..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: LUA Dalmatians... still the Clubs resistJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-54667345016508880312020-05-20T11:08:24.532+01:002020-05-20T11:08:24.532+01:00Does anyone know if thsi has actually changed now ...Does anyone know if thsi has actually changed now ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-17130440269876473452015-06-03T17:35:31.137+01:002015-06-03T17:35:31.137+01:00As a Veterinary Assistant who has seen Dalmatians ...As a Veterinary Assistant who has seen Dalmatians suffering from urinary issues and bladder stones, if I were inclined to get one myself I would ONLY consider a LUA Dalmatian. And I would recommend anyone who cares about their dog's health and comfort to consider them too.<br />-CrystalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8517872564271290992015-05-26T16:26:21.706+01:002015-05-26T16:26:21.706+01:00I'll NEVER adopt a Dalmatian who has the LUA D...I'll NEVER adopt a Dalmatian who has the LUA Dalmatians in them. They aren't Dalmatians they are crosses! Hence the word "out cross". The breeders are so high and mighty about them too, when it's wrong. Yes breeds have out crosses from 100s of years ago, but not as recently as this. It's wrong. If you want a pointer get a pointer, don't mess around with a wonderful breed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-80904314164530660472014-07-18T21:34:46.374+01:002014-07-18T21:34:46.374+01:00The photo says it all - head under sand. It will t...The photo says it all - head under sand. It will take time and effort to just get people to pull their heads up from under the sand, and to see what is obvious right under their own noses. THEN we can really work on the problems - either that, or leaders could just change the standards, and let the breeders adjust to the change as best as they can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-50621395393757708232014-06-22T13:23:32.082+01:002014-06-22T13:23:32.082+01:00ONLY recognisable in puppies! pigment takes a litt...ONLY recognisable in puppies! pigment takes a little longer to come in! Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04223960436081795903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-47257473614582610022014-06-18T21:33:25.001+01:002014-06-18T21:33:25.001+01:00Mary, that's utter bollocks.Based on what evid...Mary, that's utter bollocks.Based on what evidence? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-35061692847324746682014-06-18T17:15:05.613+01:002014-06-18T17:15:05.613+01:00The trouble is that, at the current rate of spread...The trouble is that, at the current rate of spread, it will be many decades - probably even centuries - before it's done the breed any good.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-5073474204887597662014-06-18T15:25:55.154+01:002014-06-18T15:25:55.154+01:00Dog World today reports on a typical refusal to di...Dog World today reports on a typical refusal to discuss or explain decisions by the breed clubs and a clumsy attempt at deflection by the KC.<br /><br />Does the hope that a programme for registering hearing loss may be available in the near future, really justify the refusal to record an existing DNA test for a life threatening condition?<br /><br />If a choice needed to be made, I think I would prefer a hearing impaired Dalmation than one that may develop a life threatening urinary tract condition despite constant monitoring and a special diet. <br /><br />Quote:<br /><br />"DOG WORLD was unable to contact Mrs Cuthbertson, and British Dalmatian Club secretary Shelagh Stevenson did not want to comment.<br /><br /><br /> The KC’s health and breeder services manager Bill Lambert said: <br /><br /> "When assessing and introducing new tests, the KC is mindful that excluding too great a proportion of the population from breeding on account of a single condition could have a long-term detrimental impact on genetic diversity. This can be a particular problem where limited numbers of dogs have been tested or are likely to be clear of a condition. <br /><br /> "The breed clubs are very aware of the prevalence of high uric acid in many Dalmatians, which can lead to the production of bladder stones, and information about this condition is available on various club websites. In addition the Dalmatian clubs have been working with the KC to introduce a programme to record the results of hearing (BAER) tests which will provide valuable information on the hearing status of individual dogs and which will assist breeders in making informed breeding choices. This programme is currently under IT development and it is hoped that this will be available in the near future.”<br /><br />- See more at: <br />http://www.dogworld.co.uk/product.php/116482/34/breed_clubs_deny_bid_for_uric_acid_status_to_be_recorded_on_dalmatian_pedigrees<br /><br />Margaret Carternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36199449747355586822014-06-17T20:06:05.267+01:002014-06-17T20:06:05.267+01:00Exactly. It's pure marketing- they know which ...Exactly. It's pure marketing- they know which people would prefer, or at least that they'd have to explain to each new puppy buyer exactly what those funny letters mean...<br /><br />Otherwise there's no reason for them to dislike this move. They can avoid LUA dalmatians, they can proudly state what they're breeding for. If you can't own it, don't do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1954426703001268592014-06-14T19:22:56.604+01:002014-06-14T19:22:56.604+01:00OK, thanks for the reply.
VPOK, thanks for the reply.<br />VPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-49277952666893273362014-06-12T21:26:27.111+01:002014-06-12T21:26:27.111+01:00How did they set it up? How did they set it up? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-91455838600457751342014-06-12T15:28:32.276+01:002014-06-12T15:28:32.276+01:00This outcross was not done to introduce genetic di...This outcross was not done to introduce genetic diversity into the breed. It was done to bring in a single gene and that is probably all that now remains of the Pointer. (i.e. very similar to Bruce Cattanach's Boxer/Cordi x). Most of the onward breeding has been to HUA (i.e. 'normal') Dals - to organically spread the gene into the wider Dal population. The aim has not been to remove the HUA gene because there may well be something else it does that is beneficial to Dals. The aim has been for heterozygosity for this reason. So popular sire syndrome/inbreeding is not an issue in this instance. Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-88211951758728986222014-06-12T15:05:16.120+01:002014-06-12T15:05:16.120+01:00Hmmmmm. Please correct me if I am wrong but the &#...Hmmmmm. Please correct me if I am wrong but the 'good' gene was introduced from pointers. How many? One, ten, one hundred? If the 'good' gene came in from a small number of outcrossings and everyone mated their 'pure' dalmatians to offspring of teh outcross programme pretty soon you'll be taking out all the added genetic diversity...LUA dalmatians will just be a new type of popular sire. They may 'fix' one problem but we know that reducing the gene pool, even to eradicate one disease, increases the risk of other diseases.<br />I'm not saying don't outcross, but I am saying it needs more outcrosses so a new bottleneck doesn't develop.<br />Or just do head in sand...<br />VPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-89596943977805973152014-06-10T05:43:41.176+01:002014-06-10T05:43:41.176+01:00Australia now has TWO alternative breed registers ...Australia now has TWO alternative breed registers - one has been endorsed by the state governments as a suitable alternative for dog registration to the ANKC clubs. This register has as core to it's mission to produce physiologically sound pets. They don't run shows, they don't have judges, all participating breeders are vet checked annually. They are producing quality dogs - fit for purpose, including as pets. <br />About time the UK followed suit? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58597276394231202972014-06-09T16:15:12.968+01:002014-06-09T16:15:12.968+01:00Only puppy farmers would consider breeding from a ...Only puppy farmers would consider breeding from a blue-eyed dalmatian; it's not accepted in the breed standard and not accepted by any of the dalmatian breed clubs.<br /><br />Also the LUA breeders themselves acknowledge that it's still possible, after so many generations, to recognise a LUA dalmatian by its spotting - if you know what you're looking for. Of course 'the average Joe' wouldn't notice but the difference is usually still observable, which isn't something you'd anticipate.<br /><br />If the gene is to make a significant impact on the breed as a whole there needs to be the use of homozygotic LUAs whose EVERY puppy would be LUA, not just half of them. I believe there are still only 9 male LUAs in the UK - and clearly it would be dreadful for the gene pool if every bitch was limited to these few mates. Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-38659925808941850142014-06-09T09:00:12.146+01:002014-06-09T09:00:12.146+01:00MBBAB, it will not be long before this legislation...MBBAB, it will not be long before this legislation hits our shores and the sooner the better. There was a case recently in Holland where a breeder was sued for denying that the dog they had sold came from a contaminated line, and that dog suffered horribly and his owner fought to save him but was unable to she lost him in the end. Litigation is going to be the only way ultimately to stop these sick people from continuing to breed dogs that really suffer agony and life compromising/shortening lives. All so that the owner can swagger in the ring, make it up to champ, breed a litter or two and then probably have to pts because THEY DON'T WANT THE EXPENSE OF MAINTAINING A KIND LIFESTYLE. However, the surplus from their litters they happily charge extortionately for and let the new owners bear the sadness of what the breeders knows is going to come. I know people have the impression I am anti ped dog, this is absolutely not the case, I showed a gundog breed for 40 years, bred very few litters during that time and currently have two peds at my feet. But I and everyone on this site love their dogs and to see the abomination being enacted on dogs in the name of "dedicated dog lover" sickens me to my very soul. I have had a couple of Cavaliers and I have just lost a 15 year old Dalmation, Totty, who I rescued, I know the breed I showed is in an appalling state and when I look on a dedicated site and see 32 litters advertised, same old people, it makes me angry. They are just plain greedy and careless and my only conclusion is that their interest is as someone recently said is to ponce around a ring, glory in being a big fish in a very little sea and careless the damage they are doing to dogs. I would think that the sooner the KCs realise that they too will be hauled in as accountable for any lawsuits then we will see reparation in dog breeding and it can't be too soon, imo.Georginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-28635054483347391122014-06-08T14:41:45.639+01:002014-06-08T14:41:45.639+01:00So typical of the KC. They would have known that t...So typical of the KC. They would have known that the Clubs would not agree and therefore allowed the bad decision to be made. If the KC had a back bone, they would simply go ahead and allow the sensible request.<br /><br />Just about every decision the KC makes is focused on money !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-20697639337399012202014-06-08T12:19:57.653+01:002014-06-08T12:19:57.653+01:00At the point where government legislation here in ...At the point where government legislation here in Victoria specifically disallows the deliberate breeding of diseased or disabled animals, pet owners are in the position of being able to make the breeder liable for deliberately producing an animal with a genetic defect which affects its health. This should encourage breeders to start making an effort to produce the healthiest animals they can, as otherwise they may end up in an expensive law suit. They are also required, under this legislation to disclose breed specific genetic problems and any general health issues to purchasers, this will limit their ability to make sales on uninformed purchasers. I also own a pedigree dog breed with inherited issues for which the testing is expensive and can only be of relevance carried out after age three, the gene pool is tiny and I wonder where the breed will be in a few more years. As a cat breeder I have the ability to apply for experimental breeding programs specifically designed to enhance type and health, why is the mainstream dog fancy, particularly the breed club heirachy so opposed to this? Dont they want their animals to be healthy and to survive? Miamber Burmilla, Burmese and Australian Bombayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18284192817790613106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-83532193150940415582014-06-08T11:50:44.221+01:002014-06-08T11:50:44.221+01:00Dna tests are recorde for many breeds..but as stat...Dna tests are recorde for many breeds..but as stated by Jemima they have to fulfill two criteria. .1a health problem relevant to the breed. 2 breed club approvedJuliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04223960436081795903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-54468043408757949632014-06-07T17:17:03.443+01:002014-06-07T17:17:03.443+01:00I'd guess it happens a lot more than we know. ...I'd guess it happens a lot more than we know. My breed in particular has changed dramatically in the last 10 years and being a rare very inbred breed ( a lot of dogs are supposedly up to 40% COI ) I do not see where the coat and structure changes could have come from unless outcrossed to a similar breed that most kennels keep along side.<br /><br />In some ways not a bad thing as it brings diversity but the breed they seem to be crossing to has worse health and a totally different temperament .<br />unlike show breeders i choose my breed for its character and I don't want that to change to suit their whims on looks. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-28637211256676966672014-06-07T14:19:25.520+01:002014-06-07T14:19:25.520+01:00......and getting people to change is nevet easy. .........and getting people to change is nevet easy. I think the answer is to boycott and start their own club.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-182692397814122632014-06-07T08:05:26.737+01:002014-06-07T08:05:26.737+01:00seabrooksr,
You should have a look at how DNA get...seabrooksr,<br /><br />You should have a look at how DNA get mixed up during reproduction.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosomal_crossover<br /><br />Any genes close to the LUA gene are more likely to be transferred across at the same time than those further away on the chromosome, but in the long term if all we're testing for is LUA that's all that will remain. <br /><br />Of course, any additional outcross may well have other benefits (including increasing the proportion of LUA in the population faster with less inbreeding). But not entirely necessary, especially considering how hard the KC fights against it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-89210455301190977952014-06-07T07:34:04.854+01:002014-06-07T07:34:04.854+01:00Maria, thanks for providing the link. Sweden's...Maria, thanks for providing the link. Sweden's Kennel Club seems to be an excellent model that all K.C.s should follow. They are many years ahead of the rest of the world. What an excellent document. I was also happy to see that only one of the nine breeds I've had in my life is a "listed" breed--and I had that dog (an ESS) 37 years ago and he was neutered. All dogs before and after that are not on the SKC list.S.K.Y.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10394626858056890715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-61776935102052544212014-06-07T00:17:09.191+01:002014-06-07T00:17:09.191+01:00All (pretty much) that remains genetically of that...All (pretty much) that remains genetically of that original Pointer is the normal version of that one gene - not the whole chromosome. That normal version of the gene exists in every other dog breed. Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-38763449135667349972014-06-07T00:16:38.834+01:002014-06-07T00:16:38.834+01:001 in 2 actually. The HUA parent can only pass on t...1 in 2 actually. The HUA parent can only pass on the HUA gene. The single copy LUA parent has a 50/50 chance of passing on the HUA or LUA gene.<br /><br />This is why we should have multiple outcross lines. So breeders can breed LUA to LUA without inbreeding. That would still give 1 in 4 chances of producing HUA dogs. But the Homozygous LUAs that are produced will be able to produce 100% LUAs even when mated to HUAs.<br /><br />Unless LUA Dal breeders aleady have homozygous LUAs produced from inbreeding, even they will be producing HUA dogs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com