tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post339129628156955632..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Boxers: the heat is onJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-52863808809060630182018-01-22T15:19:58.873+00:002018-01-22T15:19:58.873+00:00And our obsession with high amounts of "Flash...And our obsession with high amounts of "Flash" leads to the birth of many deaf white boxers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-86497994719227371982018-01-22T15:18:41.151+00:002018-01-22T15:18:41.151+00:00American boxers have longer noses, and are definit...American boxers have longer noses, and are definitely not an "Indoor Breed"! But they have a tendency to arching swan necks, lack of bone, and little protection drive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-56076344867414811462014-01-11T13:51:39.570+00:002014-01-11T13:51:39.570+00:00OFA Hips - GOOD - BX-4587G24F-VPI
OFA Elbows - NOR...OFA Hips - GOOD - BX-4587G24F-VPI<br />OFA Elbows - NORMAL - BX-EL516F24-VPI<br />Spondylosis - NORMAL - Grade ZERO as of 9/2011<br />Brucellosis - NEGATIVE - as of 9/2011 & 10/2011<br />OFA Thyroid - NORMAL - BX-TH610/24F-VPI <br />Auscultation/Echo Doppler - SAS CLEAR / MURMUR FREE - BX-CA2246/21F/P-PI<br />ARVC - NEGATIVE as of 7/15/2011<br />Eye Cerf - NORMAL as of 10/30/2011 - BX-359624<br /><br /><br />http://www.vendettaboxers.com/Crystal.html This is a totally different dog but may I say I AM IMPRESSED. Has longer nose (not as long as the original boxers though) has a nice back that isn't so whacky looking.Dogs Living +Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020471845692733005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-66903321014424117152013-12-09T09:01:25.165+00:002013-12-09T09:01:25.165+00:00My dad rescued a boxer pup from death in the 70...My dad rescued a boxer pup from death in the 70's. The breeder was going to have it killed because it was born the wrong colour! She was white. <br /><br />We lived in Africa. White dogs with little pigment lots of pink skin are prone to cancers and other things like allergies etc in hot sunny climates. However the breeders reason for wanting to put down this gorgeous puppy was that it wasn't allowed because the standard didn't include white dogs.<br /><br />Georgi as the dog was called turned out to be an extremely healthy dog and never got any skin problems or cancer. She was incredibly athletic and very fast easily running down small deer. I used to take her and the rest of the pack with me on out rides she had no problems at all with breathing. She survived many snares almost being cut in two at one point but lived to be16 in fact we never had a dog that didn't live to a ripe old age.<br /><br />That was in the seventies. Recently I went to a dog show in Rotterdam and saw the boxers briefly, I was heading to the borzois which are my interest. I couldn't believe these boxers were the same breed as Georg. They had no substance at all more like hounds and they were highly strung strange behaving animals foaming at the mouth. All seemed to be having difficulty breathing.<br /><br />Could breeding for a limited colour play its part in weakness too? <br /><br />Breeding for one physical trait at the expense of everything else? Should pedigree dogs come in any colour? I know the borzoi does and its relatively free of trouble though exaggerations have definitely changed this breed too and they have a few problems if too closely bred.<br /><br /> Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-30860844979968503412013-04-01T06:27:20.630+01:002013-04-01T06:27:20.630+01:00They've taken the site down, except for the fr...They've taken the site down, except for the front page!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-63833367544592876942013-03-30T18:37:33.400+00:002013-03-30T18:37:33.400+00:00Back when I was in vet school, I remember one of m...Back when I was in vet school, I remember one of my professors stating the following:<br /><br />"If you examine a Boxer that's over six years old and you don't find a tumour - you haven't looked very well."<br /><br />Harsh, but pretty much true. Unfortunately, Boxers are one of the most cancer-prone breeds there is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-5525451398738749132013-03-27T08:07:45.120+00:002013-03-27T08:07:45.120+00:00I am a boxer owner and breeder of many years, and ...I am a boxer owner and breeder of many years, and I think the issues that are raised here are important ones. There is no doubt that the quest for "breed type" has gone way too far many places, so that the breed specific traits often are exaggerated into an unfunctional caricature of the breed. The point is, though, that this is not in accordance with the breed standard. The standard describes a head, f ex, that is very "un-extreme" and not at all very short and squashy. If you bring a dog with the proportions that the standard asks for, however, the dog will usually be dismissed as being untypical. Perhaps the unpleasant focus from this blog can help change this and make people breed boxers that are more in accordance with the words and intention of the standard. <br /><br />However, it is important to remember that the boxer world is very complex, and that there are huge differences between boxers from different parts of the world. the exaggeration that are described here, are mainly a European problem.LektorLLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282961850779726234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-82846943539904990332013-03-26T19:38:07.675+00:002013-03-26T19:38:07.675+00:00I have seen more and more ski slope-backed Boxers ...I have seen more and more ski slope-backed Boxers (and Dobermanns), as I have commented here previously, but that one you posted was truly the worst one I've seen yet. I'm sure many boxer-breeders would think that dog's absolutely GORGEOUS.<br />But all I see is a joke of a caricature. A caricature of a caricature.<br /><br />Where does the look of that extreme boxer come from? Well, people get the idea that a wider and shorter head looks stronger, "tougher". So they shorten the nose, increase the stop and make the forehead more steep. More and more and more. Until you get that face. (It happened with bulldogs, it happened with boxers, it's even happening with Rottweilers, Cane corso and my breed, Ca de Bou.)<br /><br />And the back? Apparently, high shoulders, a huge, barrel-shaped chest and lower back makes the dog look "proud" or "imposing". In a very mild example (a dog still shaped naturally), yes it does... but what happened with the GSD, and what's happening with the Boxer and Dobermann (same but different from the GSD), is just plain ridiculous. All I see, is a caricature, breeders trying to sculpt their "artwork" into a "mold" they've invented.<br /><br />They're ANIMALS, and they're not meant to look like that, regardless of what your sacred "breed standards" (that many breeds don't follow in the show ring anyway) say. "It is purely breeder whim", as David Hancock said about the bulldogs (not in PDE).<br /><br />SOME of it is in how they're standing. I saw a video of a boxer show where they were "aggravating" three male boxers on each other, had them staring at each other very close up, stretching their leashes until they stood in that awful pose, just to look "nice" in front of the judge. But some of it (if not most of it) is in the construction, for sure. None of the dogs I've lived with (shelties, whippet, Ca de Bou) could stand like that, or like show GSDs for that matter.Frida Nyberghttp://zanizaila.wix.com/fridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-6609816659493526192013-03-26T12:33:18.353+00:002013-03-26T12:33:18.353+00:00As a lifelong boxer breeder, I am all for getting ...As a lifelong boxer breeder, I am all for getting closer to the Standard required 1:2 (muzzle:skull) proportions - instead of the much shorter muzzles that are favored in Europe. But we need to somehow convince everybody about why this is desirable. The very short muzzles are favored by most boxer fanciers, not just judges or breeders but also pet puppy buyers. The average pet boxer puppy buyer wants (and generally makes it very clear) a short-muzzled boxer. Many of those prospective puppy buyers have never been to a dog show and have no intentions to show. I am personally aware of the pitfalls of excessive brachycephalic features and I have read some of the relevant literature about it, but this information needs to reach “the masses” of boxer fanciers, not just judges or breeders. In my experience, people does not seem to be very receptive.Natacha Moscoso - Boxers Urkabustaiz'tarhttp://www.boxerurkabustaiz.esnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-84808310020061533402013-03-25T19:11:36.416+00:002013-03-25T19:11:36.416+00:00I live in hot humid sunny southeast Florida. I ha...I live in hot humid sunny southeast Florida. I have Boxers, show Boxers.. 6 out of the seven in my house are "AKC" champions the seventh is working on it! FWIW, there are two other Boxer breeders within two miles of me.. also show breeders. All of our dogs tolerate the heat (80 degrees is nothing)and will play and run for hours in it. It isn't that heat that gets them, it is 95 degree along with 95 percent humidity that bothers them, but then again, that bothers most dogs including GSD's and most people. <br /><br />If that "lean" Boxer went down from heatstroke in five minutes, there was definitely something else going on. <br /><br />PDE once more takes the ultra extreme and tries to make it into mainstream. Yellow journalism at it's finest:-) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-30259122768277361782013-03-25T13:22:10.686+00:002013-03-25T13:22:10.686+00:00Looking at that last image of a squashed-faced dog...Looking at that last image of a squashed-faced dog with withering hindquarters, I have this ominous premonition they are going to evolve into this: http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/6582/boglin.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-65402150702972937142013-03-24T23:11:02.019+00:002013-03-24T23:11:02.019+00:00I never seen the more extreme Boxer in Real life o...I never seen the more extreme Boxer in Real life or dog shows either,and The Rottweiler doesn't go nearly as extreme but is slowly getting that way.<br />When I was searching for a Rottweiler I was having trouble finding one in my area with the original or decent length of muzzle from a breeder. Especially sense the one I liked closed down.<br />Here are some more short muzzled and heavy Rottweilers.<br />-Rachel<br /><br />http://dkvrottweilers.wordpress.com/tag/rottweiler-breeder/<br /><br />https://www.google.com/search?q=rottweiler&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=BHVPUeu6J4qIiAK9pYGoDQ&biw=1600&bih=798&sei=B3VPUf6fDaSgiALl1IC4Cg#imgrc=H3WMCswQvS3jQM%3A%3BLMkK8A-mCYMhHM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ucadogs.com%252Fimages%252Frottweiler_2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ucadogs.com%252FBreed_Info_Rottweiler.htm%3B400%3B307<br /><br />http://www.wcrotts.com/rottweiler-apoll-v-kriegsdamm.htm<br /><br />http://houston.ebayclassifieds.com/dogs-puppies/houston/akc-german-rottweiler-adult-male/?ad=25879853<br /><br />http://houston.ebayclassifieds.com/animal-services/houston/rottweiler-male-stud-service-100-germen-3-stud-male-an-puppys/?ad=25254219<br /><br />https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-frVEMlhvypE/TYGYV3m709I/AAAAAAAAAFM/kpH9CcsJ_fI/s1600/rottie_pitcture.jpg<br /><br />And I can find plenty more.<br /><br />The thing is is that show ones are not the worst and pet ones I see except for sometimes being giant are also not the worst. When trying to find a breeder it suddenly become apparent though.<br />I`ll admit I`m a bit fussy as well sense I desire a athletic dog that can combine agility with strength. I also don't care for the appearance of short muzzles.<br />These are my kinda Rotties,and the ones I was originally used too.<br /><br />http://animaljpg.com/rottweiler-breeders-wallpaper/<br /><br />http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rottweiler.jpg<br /><br />http://www.rottweiler.on.ca/aiko.htm<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Demiandogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14783001289308199804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-72807063267410318422013-03-24T07:18:20.897+00:002013-03-24T07:18:20.897+00:00wait WHAT since when were Rottweilers being bred f...wait WHAT since when were Rottweilers being bred for short muzzles (excuse my I'm a novice I don't own rotties there are just two that live next door that were trained with prong collars)<br />.....I just realized the miniature doxie )(we got from a friend who couldn't care for him), THAT IS MY FIRST purebred dog, our other dog might be a purebred Carolina Dog but there isn't really a DNA test to prove it...Dogs Living +Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020471845692733005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-83911629210594684062013-03-22T08:38:43.193+00:002013-03-22T08:38:43.193+00:00I`ve seen other dogs put in such position,but the ...I`ve seen other dogs put in such position,but the dogs body does look short in comparison with stronger front end to back end.<br />I like the original more,and not the type to care if they look too much like Pit bulls,American Bulldogs or Dogo Argentino.<br />I saw a recent video of a Boxer hunting Boer,which is really unheard of but I guess possible,all dogs are individuals.<br /><br />I`m worried about Rottweilers being bred for short muzzles and as well as a heavier build as well.<br />compare: http://www.myspace.com/derrottweiler/photos/3265633<br />with<br />http://www.vr-rottweilers.com/dandyvhneubrand.htm<br />Can't expect those to drive cattle for miles on end. Or make a good military dog.<br />The show ones are actually better off then many dogs though.<br />-RachelDemiandogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14783001289308199804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-90903101029460575372013-03-21T23:07:35.881+00:002013-03-21T23:07:35.881+00:00I live in a part of the United States where it reg...I live in a part of the United States where it regularly gets over 100 degrees Fahrenheit in the middle of summer. Almost every boxer I see in my neighborhood has a face like the 1944 boxer. In fact, even though bulldogs are ranking high on the AKC list right now, I rarely see any in my area. Same goes for pugs and frenchies.<br /><br />I think the boxer breeders in my area are smart enough not to breed a traditionally high-energy "outside" dog with a smooshy face. Note the show breeder you mentioned is from a northern state. They don't usually experience temperatures like the summers in my area that would weed out any dogs with overly flattened faces that are unfortunate enough to be outside too long.Rachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-47807948284258394432013-03-21T06:14:47.655+00:002013-03-21T06:14:47.655+00:00I had boxer from 1992, when I was young. She was ...I had boxer from 1992, when I was young. She was a pedigree dog and looked more like a dog in 1944 picture (no cropped ears of course).<br />I didn't have any health problems with her. She spent all her life by my side. I trained her for agility and she always were together, when I played outside with other kids in the public yard. She was very lean, incredibly fast, no hip problems or lameness on hot days (no snoring breathing too). She lived for 13,5 years old and was put to sleep because of stroke (there were accidental great noise which scared her and the stroke happened, I am sure she would have lived much much longer).<br />After her death I wanted the other dog to be of boxer breed too, but I was scared how the breed changed, and occurring health problems were just too much for me. The breed got worse I am sure about it, as I knew a lot of boxers and they were healthy strong dogs, lived long life and never ever were they the "inside dogs". Boxers are built for the great speed and endurance (or I thought so before).<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11494945483402484076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36701554697919379692013-03-21T03:46:34.236+00:002013-03-21T03:46:34.236+00:00I found the website of this kennel... ( http://www...I found the website of this kennel... ( http://www.dellavalledeisensi.com/accoppiamenti.html ) <br /><br />All dogs look freakshly huge on the front end and small in the hind end.<br /><br />Dogs move pushing themselves with their rear, except from GSD that, like these Boxers, have abnormal hind ends and big front ends that have to carry all the weight.Anna Carol E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05925772657642561259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8318343939335355532013-03-21T03:37:10.317+00:002013-03-21T03:37:10.317+00:00There are a lot of things wrong with this Boxer (i...There are a lot of things wrong with this Boxer (if you gonna use it as a working dog), not only that weird stack.<br /><br />His body is way too short, his front end is WAY too big and heavy and his hind end looks weak, short in the pelvis and with a small thigh (with a lot of webbing in the groin?) to hide it out.<br /><br />Even if you take the head away, I would not trust this dog as a working dog. Anna Carol E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05925772657642561259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-9023494671704585132013-03-20T22:23:55.328+00:002013-03-20T22:23:55.328+00:00Mary, it's regularly above 80 here in the summ...Mary, it's regularly above 80 here in the summer and occasionally hits 100. The hotter it is, the later we walk; if it's above 87 or so we wait until the sun sets.<br /><br />We also frequently let our dogs wade in a kiddie pool before and after their walks. I'm always surprised when I see people out walking with their dogs or (worse) throwing a frisbee when it's 90F out. NO dog is safe in that weather.<br /><br />My dad used to field trial pointers and he drilled it into my head that dogs should not work in temps above 80F, no matter how fit they are. Even swimming you need to be careful, unless the water is cold.Bethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-19097722183134854182013-03-20T19:55:50.701+00:002013-03-20T19:55:50.701+00:00A fair point worth raising. Every summer here in t...A fair point worth raising. Every summer here in the UK we get dogs - of all varities, not just brachycephalic showdogs! - dying of heatstroke after being walked in the middle of the day during our rare hot spells.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-80728453783631463932013-03-20T18:49:50.420+00:002013-03-20T18:49:50.420+00:00Laughing. From "butcher's dog" to b...Laughing. From "butcher's dog" to butchered dog. Of course. Take a bow AKC, where form follows function, and the function is to win a ribbon. You want a dog that can do the job, we have them here in America for FREE. They're called Pit Bulls and we KILL a million a year at the local shelters.<br />PBurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781540805883519064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-25515297162062279642013-03-20T18:35:11.428+00:002013-03-20T18:35:11.428+00:00Oops! Fixed...Oops! Fixed...Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-18488263854043525302013-03-20T18:29:06.199+00:002013-03-20T18:29:06.199+00:00I don't think you necessarily need absurd conf...I don't think you necessarily need absurd conformation to achieve that kind of "stretchability", look: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-48a1tI_awJw/TQCjcMOcAlI/AAAAAAAASNQ/k0TfH80PlP8/s1024/IMG_6617.JPG and here https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-FW29UaI8BLk/TN_8Jb5QHCI/AAAAAAAARl0/Mm7x6sQe6k4/s1024/IMG_5706.JPG and in normal stance: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JuQ4QJH_WcI/TjA4lUdOqeI/AAAAAAAAaPU/RmhvQY6mxno/s1024/IMG_7702.JPGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-44739569136770349722013-03-20T18:02:51.282+00:002013-03-20T18:02:51.282+00:00Thanks for the link to the old pics... good to see...Thanks for the link to the old pics... good to see that whippets generally look better than in the past ;) contrary to all the other breeds, unfortunately.Aniahttp://caqui.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-57433661317252699852013-03-20T17:27:34.295+00:002013-03-20T17:27:34.295+00:00"explains Professor Michel Davis of Oklahomo ..."explains Professor Michel Davis of Oklahomo State University" you mean Oklahoma, not Oklahomo?Stalkkerinoreply@blogger.com