tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post951615263133838478..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Yesterday's doguesJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-54877455360155043952012-07-21T13:51:30.279+01:002012-07-21T13:51:30.279+01:00Jess the chice of bad langaue is just that a CHOIC...Jess the chice of bad langaue is just that a CHOICE be that person 1st 2nd or 3rd language. If however you think their choice of langauge is acceptable or can be excused I think that shows more about what you think is accepatble which probably give balance to some of your previous posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-59643762803989716262012-07-21T03:07:24.219+01:002012-07-21T03:07:24.219+01:00Matus is from the Ukraine, which you would have kn...Matus is from the Ukraine, which you would have known had you checked their profile. English is unlikely to be their first language.<br /><br />You owe Matus an apology.Jesshttp://cynoanarchist.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-61240340015272159872012-07-20T12:28:47.660+01:002012-07-20T12:28:47.660+01:00So many topics in the blog and items in both movie...So many topics in the blog and items in both movies about history. <br />What is the reason of these topics, what they prove?<br />What if the same breeds retain the same phisical/morphological condition for hundreeds or any thousands of years? Was it right then?Matushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17221540017270442165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-13349453849141681902012-07-17T16:26:57.205+01:002012-07-17T16:26:57.205+01:00Matus like you choice of language your logic that ...Matus like you choice of language your logic that "because diseases are in standards" show just how little you know about dogs. Its only a modern concept ie the designer dogs, that dogs have been bred to look a certain way as these have no fuction to perform. All breeds had a function and thats whyteh standards where written to ensure they could fullfill that function. As for diseases they either have been brought in by another breed or dog or have occured from a mutation and have nothing to do with the standard, I suggest given you level of language ability you take up some further education classes to improve you choice of words and you IQ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8240017677591889202012-07-16T22:26:51.422+01:002012-07-16T22:26:51.422+01:00What's the reason to compare two pieces of shi...What's the reason to compare two pieces of shit, which one is smaller? This is one of many breeds, where you can say confidently about any dog, that it is deformed and diseased, even without looking at the dog, because diseases are in standards. <br />(Actually, there is an exception - G. Shepherd, it's early standard didn't contain any deformity, it was introduced later.)Matushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17221540017270442165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64365850663706742692012-07-15T23:19:51.650+01:002012-07-15T23:19:51.650+01:00They use to kind of look like a napoleon mastiff.....They use to kind of look like a napoleon mastiff.. from what I see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58412017898022929382012-07-15T15:44:54.389+01:002012-07-15T15:44:54.389+01:00Unless we're able to get in a time machine and...Unless we're able to get in a time machine and go back to 1863 when the name Dogue de Bordeaux was first coined and observe that type of dog over the following decades, we will never know what the correct Dogue de Bordeaux looked like. I don't think anyone is right or wrong whether it is myself, Jemima, Meginin or Kunstler. We only have a fairly sketchy history of the modern breed to look back on. Even when you look back at history, there are brindle dogs and those which are clearly (English) Mastiffs labelled and shown as DDB in the late 19th century. My point with Tunis was that a particular type has not changed in over a century. His resemblance to a modern dogue is remarkable, he looks no different to my own dogues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-87705023924081274182012-07-13T07:28:15.475+01:002012-07-13T07:28:15.475+01:00Yes and no.
If the dog is born before 1 january 20...Yes and no.<br />If the dog is born before 1 january 2008, and is born in a country where it is legal to cropp ears or dock tails you may show it. If the dog is born in a country where it isn't legal, you can't show.<br /><br />If the dog is born after 1 january 2008 it is not allowed in shows at all no matter if it is legal cropped/docked or not. And that includes dogs that got it's tail docked by a vet because of an injury.Maria Dhttp://www.meringa.senoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-91814404797789057332012-07-10T06:17:47.824+01:002012-07-10T06:17:47.824+01:00Somewhat off topic, but I just found this article(...Somewhat off topic, but I just found this article(http://www.revmedvet.com/artdes-us.php?id=1562) which shows that breeders(from the French KC) prioritise morphology over health.(see table 4 and section titled "selection goals")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-41288458907613208952012-07-10T02:06:37.317+01:002012-07-10T02:06:37.317+01:00But you can still show dogs with cropped ears in S...But you can still show dogs with cropped ears in Sweden cant you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-12471915494593333392012-07-09T16:42:09.881+01:002012-07-09T16:42:09.881+01:00Cropping ears hasn't been allowed for, I don&#...Cropping ears hasn't been allowed for, I don't know maybe 40 years. The law against cropping tails is from 1989 if I remember correctly.Maria Dhttp://www.meringa.senoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-10646391272802153882012-07-09T15:12:50.693+01:002012-07-09T15:12:50.693+01:00Most hunters I know who have looked into/tried the...Most hunters I know who have looked into/tried the breed consider them to be as much of a working breed nowadays as the Bulldog :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-9197766768595039002012-07-09T11:29:55.208+01:002012-07-09T11:29:55.208+01:00Jemima's article is based on the supposition t...Jemima's article is based on the supposition that the early DdB were markedly different to the modern ones. One glance at the linked photo of the dog born in 1906 (http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd393/snoringbear/DDB/?action=view&current=IMG_0991.jpg) shows clearly that is false.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8852755371260357402012-07-08T21:31:27.173+01:002012-07-08T21:31:27.173+01:00Maria D do they still allow the mutilation of cro...Maria D do they still allow the mutilation of cropped ears in Sweden too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-22888433380331897112012-07-08T19:48:29.190+01:002012-07-08T19:48:29.190+01:00?? I suggest reading that again, nowwhere does it ...?? I suggest reading that again, nowwhere does it say that the pics are of a differnt breed, it says their was several differnt TYPES of DDB(common in many breeds) each with its own standard, there was a type like those pictured, and a type similer to the modern DDB, the standard for the modern type won out over the other type when the breed was remade after WW2. <br /><br />people disparging the "other" types isnt not any more uncommon now then it was then lol, look at Akita's, in their case 2 types won out(there was 4 I believe) and even today each side dispages the other as not being "true" Akita's, despite both being orignal legimate Akita's lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1953198282893407042012-07-08T16:31:26.128+01:002012-07-08T16:31:26.128+01:00That's very interesting info. Interesting to ...That's very interesting info. Interesting to see how many breed types were determined basically by politics or committee. When there were no breed clubs, every little area had its own "type" of many breeds. And if you look at enough pictures you can see ones that are similar to today's and ones that are not, and both might have been winning dogs in their day. I know with Corgis you can find old pictures of dogs with more leg and others that were just as short-legged as the modern show type. With English Bulldogs you can find very heavy bow-legged ones and ones built more like a modern APBT. Obviously one type had to win out and in several breeds the more extreme type won out.Bethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-51895662327606707212012-07-08T12:04:30.513+01:002012-07-08T12:04:30.513+01:00The historical info post from Anon shows that the ...The historical info post from Anon shows that the premise that the DDB has changed so dramatically is based on photos of another breed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-73017178482712483042012-07-08T09:13:46.829+01:002012-07-08T09:13:46.829+01:00I think you need to look up the definition of &quo...I think you need to look up the definition of "lie" Anon. The historical info from Anon qualifies my post. It is always great to get good info like that and it was appreciated. <br /><br />JemimaJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-87351343172005286102012-07-08T08:00:45.571+01:002012-07-08T08:00:45.571+01:00I'm impressed by your honesty, Jemima, because...I'm impressed by your honesty, Jemima, because that post proves that your whole piece was based on a lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-18133450452983450672012-07-07T20:15:11.149+01:002012-07-07T20:15:11.149+01:00I would say that they are, at least in Sweden! Sti...I would say that they are, at least in Sweden! Still much more that could be even better but a step in the right direction.<br /><br />An example, to be able to register puppies in my bred both parents need to have the hips X-rayed and scored grade A or grade B, and they have to participate in a mental test to get "known mental status". Without those two tests you can't register the puppy.<br /><br />To be able to compete for CC in shows, my breed needs to have proven working ability.<br /><br />There are different rules for different breed, and still to many breeds have no demands of health tests, but quit many have. It could be hips, elbows, eyes and Cavalier King Charles need heart scan for example.Maria Dhttp://www.meringa.senoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-89898456027201075672012-07-07T18:17:27.833+01:002012-07-07T18:17:27.833+01:00Looks like they have managed to improve the breed ...Looks like they have managed to improve the breed from ugly to hideous. Good job show breeders. /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-6600829943171493532012-07-07T11:22:50.813+01:002012-07-07T11:22:50.813+01:00Yes, it was a great reply. My thanks, too.
Jemima...Yes, it was a great reply. My thanks, too.<br /><br />JemimaJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-17168039559392216792012-07-07T08:47:05.317+01:002012-07-07T08:47:05.317+01:00Excellent! A comment from someone with facts and e...Excellent! A comment from someone with facts and evidence, rather than opinion and spin! Thank you - you're the breath of reason. :)Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-46932573566661332592012-07-06T18:54:58.995+01:002012-07-06T18:54:58.995+01:00Brooke owned Turc as well, prior to importing Sans...Brooke owned Turc as well, prior to importing Sans Peur and the others. There was a huge amount of controversy over what a Dogue De Bordeaux was in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. There were a variety of more uniform regional types, referred to as Bordeaux, Toulouse and Parien and a huge variety of crosses between these and other breeds - mastiffs, bulldogs, great dames etc. It was more a case of picking out a uniform type that existed rather than creating one. There are dogs of similar head type and construction to today's Dogue existed over a hundred years ago. Tunis vom Romerfeld, born in 1906,is indistinguishable to a modern DDB, right down to the nostrils - http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd393/snoringbear/DDB/?action=view&current=IMG_0991.jpg There are also dogs predating all those shown above in both photos and illustration with the greater undershot, shorter muzzled and narrower nostrils. There were two people at this time who put together their standards for the DDB. The first Megnin, the editor of L'Elevage magazine championed the type Brooke had having previously and publically lambasted Turc as being a Bouledogue de Bordeaux or Doguin and terrible example of a true DDB. Megnin then helped source Brooke's later Dogues, by modern definition these dogs would be the Toulouse type. Kunstler followed with his interpretation, picking his preferred type which is essentially the dog in it's form today. His standard still forms the basis on which the modern one is written. When the dogue population was decimated by WW2, reconstructing them was done in accordance with Kunstler's standard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-12014705786396219602012-07-06T09:25:15.175+01:002012-07-06T09:25:15.175+01:00the ears look nicer these days!the ears look nicer these days!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05622639880051823604noreply@blogger.com