tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post9199171200616161742..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Nein! German Kennel Club gets tough re BulldogsJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-91810728148483238412014-06-19T13:10:55.098+01:002014-06-19T13:10:55.098+01:00http://celticpride-bulldogs.co.uk/Health%20introdu...http://celticpride-bulldogs.co.uk/Health%20introduction%201.htm<br />Awe the outspoken bulldog breeder mentioned PDE!Dogs Living +Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020471845692733005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-70607977721081282792012-06-07T14:27:39.894+01:002012-06-07T14:27:39.894+01:00I've kept bulldogs for years (and I've had...I've kept bulldogs for years (and I've had my share of other pedigree and mixed breeds too) and I have to say that the breed has become the whipping boy for genetic problems in pedigree dogs. All my bulldogs can run, jump, play etc with NO DIFFICULTIES AT ALL. Yes, they snort a bit when winded (after a few laps of our half acre paddock) but this is just bulldog panting and is no different from other dogs panting from exertion and/or heat. I'd like to see how many of you critics could run around our field and not pant or snort a bit!!<br /><br />As far as health problems go, we've had one bulldog with cherry eye (repaired by surgery with no recurrence) and another who had a bit of a sensitive tummy and needed a more expensive diet to avoid gas and diarrhea. We knew when taking the breed on that we might well end up out of pocket with vets bills etc but I would say this is true of MOST pedigree dogs. Our dogs are happy, healthy and fabulous characters. Most true bulldog lovers will tell you that it's the dog's indominatable spirit and unique personality and character that they love most.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067695939468857584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-44333543479107209832011-12-11T18:14:33.533+00:002011-12-11T18:14:33.533+00:00I thought I recognized the video, and when I tried...I thought I recognized the video, and when I tried to post a comment about the dogs barely being able to breathe, it turned out I had been blocked by the uploader.<br /><br />Seems I did see the video before, and wrote something he didn't want to hear...Frida Nyberghttp://www.wix.com/zanizaila/wikusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-73559383997184278572011-10-29T06:55:32.472+01:002011-10-29T06:55:32.472+01:00PS, this guy is a classic puppy miller. He isn'...PS, this guy is a classic puppy miller. He isn't breeding naturally because it's the right thing to do, or what he is breeding toward. He breeds naturally to save money, all while still charging $2500-$3000 to customers he doesn't even bother to screen or sell on limited registrations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-39178801473101459572011-10-29T06:49:34.629+01:002011-10-29T06:49:34.629+01:00I don't know a single responsible, ethical bre...I don't know a single responsible, ethical breeder who "just puts bitch and dog in the same room to let nature take it's course." And this is across ALL breeds. It's not about forcing an unready bitch into breeding, it's not about guiding the penis into the vagina, and it's not about holding anyone in place. Think of it as human acting as 'spotters." Both males and females can (and do) seriously injure themselves during mating, and that is why people supervise and "assist." Responsible breeders take no risks with their animals, and anyone too squeamish to be present and involved if need be have no business breeding in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-62979207459318353862011-09-15T09:57:38.391+01:002011-09-15T09:57:38.391+01:00If you really love your dog you will love it the w...If you really love your dog you will love it the way he is...<br />Nice post...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.newfoundlanddogsv.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Newfoundland dogs</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-84020236502086198422011-09-15T09:10:46.648+01:002011-09-15T09:10:46.648+01:00What the comments on this thread have demonstrated...What the comments on this thread have demonstrated to me is the extraordinary control-freakery demonstrated by some dog owners, in the name of 'caring' for their dogs.<br /><br />Get a dog. Breeding it? No? OK. Cut its balls off, cut its womb out. Cut its tail off, cuts its thumbs off. All in the name of 'care'.<br /><br />Get a dog. Breeding it? Yes? OK. Cut its tail off, cuts its thumbs off. Deny it access to mates of its choice. I mean, you might end up with MONGREL PUPPIES and then you'd have to kill them. Choose a mate for your hound. Tie the bitch down. Stick the dog's cock into the bitch's vagina. Hold them while tied. Cut the bitch open to get the puppies out, and if any of the puppies came a cropper because of your creepy obsession with 'blood purity', put them in a freezer.<br /><br />Sick, weird and very very wrong..https://www.blogger.com/profile/01159881635090149811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-65550555390974449752011-09-07T17:47:26.033+01:002011-09-07T17:47:26.033+01:00Ah, of course. Rejecting the notion that sloth an...Ah, of course. Rejecting the notion that sloth and yahooism are ethically equivalent to the preservation of wilderness values immediately becomes an attempt to beat up the disabled.<br /><br />Naturally.<br /><br />Interesting parallels to the deliberate propagation of dogs who are handicapped by tragic birth defects -- err, sorry, "fancy traits" -- while claiming to "love" such animals.Heather Houlahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13891198124130533198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-72230010137954604112011-09-07T06:45:54.342+01:002011-09-07T06:45:54.342+01:00Heather.. I did not say you were a privileged snob...Heather.. I did not say you were a privileged snob.. I said you are lucky to have had the time and money to travel where others may not have that luxury and still want to breed their dog. <br /><br />I will let your statement regarding rednecks and "quiet walkers" stand for what it is.. a snobbish remark.. ever think that some hikers might need assistance to see and enjoy the wilderness. you know ones that don't have "their own two feet".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-4011240404325766082011-09-05T21:57:56.831+01:002011-09-05T21:57:56.831+01:00I used a surgical insemination to produce my last ...<i>I used a surgical insemination to produce my last litter.. progesterone tested up to the time of the insemination.. had frozen semen shipped in from a dog I was wanting to use. He is no longer viable to collect.. ultra sounded at 28 days .. xrayed at 58.. along with another ultrasound to check viability of pups.. bitch whelped naturally at home. A successful venture that used LOTS of science.</i><br /><br />And yet I'm somehow a privileged snob because I've taken the time to travel in order to (a) meet an intended stud in person (seeing him work his own stock, interact with his own family, etc.); and (b) ensure a natural, uncoerced, unassisted mating (including -- <i>gasp</i> -- ethologically normal courtship and the option of mate choice) as an integral part of conserving the breed's ability to "make more like this" without glugging down the drain of reproductive incompetence.<br /><br />It kind of reminds me of how rednecks who want protected wilderness opened up to be shredded by their $15,000 ATVs call hikers who do not "elitists" for wanting to walk in the quiet on their own two feet.<br /><br />The legal right to pursue all sorts of "options" in animal husbandry does not come with an attendant exemption from all value judgments by others for one's choices, nor the unassailable assumption that all that is done to extract offspring is done "for the sake of the dogs."Heather Houlahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13891198124130533198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-31953190137603186692011-09-05T21:39:03.705+01:002011-09-05T21:39:03.705+01:00Actually it was my own vet and there are plenty of...Actually it was my own vet and there are plenty of breeders that use progesterone testing here in the UK. Sadly my bitch did not take and I made the choice that if she had problems conceiving then this wasn't a good sign and it would be better to have her speyed.<br /><br />Progesterone testing is purely to ensure that the bitch is at ovulation and is more reliable that the pre-mate test. Nothing wrong with that but I wouldn't have gone down the avenue of hormone injections and the like because I feel that if a bitch cannot mate and whelp naturally then this is not a good thing for the breed - any breed.... I am not against breeders or breeding - nor am I against you using a repro vet - where did I say that?<br /><br />Once more you are making assumptions! I believe in using science for good - not to make my bitch become pregnant when she can't do it naturally. I shouldn't be shot down for having those beliefs; it doesn't make me a bad person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-2904295760277371032011-09-05T18:19:20.028+01:002011-09-05T18:19:20.028+01:00sorry I do not cling to every statement in every p...sorry I do not cling to every statement in every post. Why would you ever use progesterone testing.. the wicked vehicle of the "repro vet".. LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1252722312511133902011-09-04T20:12:44.120+01:002011-09-04T20:12:44.120+01:00Bestuvall said.... there was time when people thou...Bestuvall said.... there was time when people thought the earth was flat and the moon was made of green cheese.. but those days are over.. aren't they?<br /><br />Yes, there was a time when people thought that pedigree dogs were healthy - and beautiful - at the same time.....but those days are over...aren't they?<br /><br />I have used progesterone testing and I reiterated that when you asked previously if anybody had used progesterone testing....sigh...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-6544312790310954202011-09-04T09:44:09.435+01:002011-09-04T09:44:09.435+01:00Bodil Carlsson, thank you for your eye-opening pos...Bodil Carlsson, thank you for your eye-opening post!<br /><br />Revealing to know what is behind the scenes.<br /> <br />"a lot depends on in which hands the knowledge is gathered and to what purpose it is used"<br /><br />So true!labpackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13952833663155486816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-25876293563680122202011-09-04T06:38:37.845+01:002011-09-04T06:38:37.845+01:00But no, definitely not to keep a species going for...But no, definitely not to keep a species going for zoos and circuses, if there were so little natural habitat left that a wild population wouldn't be sustainable.<br /><br />hmm off topic.. but to be clear you are saying that a species should be allowed to become extinct if there is no "wild" area for it to populate? Interesting..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-14699198685038529562011-09-04T06:32:16.414+01:002011-09-04T06:32:16.414+01:00Beth.. ever think I might have bought my foundatio...Beth.. ever think I might have bought my foundation bitch from Dr Hutch? ever think I might have called him on the phone for advice and he gave it to about when to breed my dog.. ever think that maybe he ran a series of progesterone test so I would know when to breed her naturally? Do none of you use progesterone tests? Repro vets do more than inseminations you know. Conclusion are jumped to very readily on this blog. <br />Romany Dog.. I guess we differ on what is "extensive'.. Helping a dog to mate or using science to determine when to mate to me is not extensive.. I used a surgical insemination to produce my last litter.. progesterone tested up to the time of the insemination.. had frozen semen shipped in from a dog I was wanting to use. He is no longer viable to collect.. ultra sounded at 28 days .. xrayed at 58.. along with another ultrasound to check viability of pups.. bitch whelped naturally at home. A successful venture that used LOTS of science.... my choice.. my dog..this would have been impossible 15 years ago.. were we better off then.. or now? I say now but I am betting most here will disagree.. by the way it was her first litter.. so she had never been bred naturally..should i have bred her to any dog just to "prove her".. or is it better to pick the BEST dog for her?<br />BestuvallAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64635243691151051852011-09-03T19:39:46.471+01:002011-09-03T19:39:46.471+01:00"Bestuvall, You really are a master of delibe..."Bestuvall, You really are a master of deliberate misunderstanding."<br /><br />Indeed. <br /><br />When you say "Dr. Hutch helped me with my foundation bitch and I would not have her without him" with Dr. Hutch being a reproduction specialist, its a logical conclusion that your dog needed the help of a repro vet to conceive or whelp. If you meant something different, well, either you are deliberately baiting or being obtuse.<br /><br />"What people are objecting to is using science to allow dogs to reproduce, when those dogs are not fit enough, or do not have the appropriate body conformation or instincts, to reproduce naturally."<br /><br />Yes. And surely even you, Bestuvall, can't have an issue with this.Beth F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05538095242261473639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-18808349306094450712011-09-03T19:31:41.132+01:002011-09-03T19:31:41.132+01:00Dear Bestuvall, you certainly have a broad view of...Dear Bestuvall, you certainly have a broad view of yourself. As to the world, I don´t know.<br /><br />The American College of Theriogenology is - as far as I can make out - a comparatively small private group of veterinarians specializing in animal reproduction. The group has the company Monsanto as its only sponsor, and while I´m a little surprised that vets working in what is not the least lucrative of fields should need a sponsor at all, I´m not surprised it should be Monsanto. Monsanto, after all, is not only the world´s largest producer of GMO seed, possibly the world´s most aggressive patent-rights protector - you know they sue farmers who have had their fields contaminated with GMO plants? But also, by sheer coincidence, they happen to be the largest producer of bovine GH hormone - all for the good of cattle, you see. Advancement of science. In 2008,Montsano were trying to sue dairies who did NOT use growth hormone on their cows in order to keep them from advertising that fact to the public.<br />I do wonder now whether the company manufactures other hormones as well - would you happen to know, Bestuvall?<br />Advancement of science, indeed! Never occurred to you that a lot depends on in which hands the knowledge is gathered and to what purpose it is used?Bodil Carlssonhttp://collievaenner.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-55023628331969663172011-09-03T19:04:28.141+01:002011-09-03T19:04:28.141+01:00Bestuvall, You really are a master of deliberate ...Bestuvall, You really are a master of deliberate misunderstanding. No one, and I mean NO ONE, posting on this blog is against *using science to improve the health and welfare of dogs*. What people are objecting to is using science to allow dogs to reproduce, when those dogs are not fit enough, or do not have the appropriate body conformation or instincts, to reproduce naturally. I am a big fan of science, but I am also a big fan of nature, and I believe it is wrong to create dog breeds that are so UNNATURAL they cannot reproduce without extensive medical interventions. Do you disagree?Romany Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17282398450593521005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36348531559237298472011-09-03T18:21:30.415+01:002011-09-03T18:21:30.415+01:00to Jackie:
that is an interesting term "poli...to Jackie:<br /><br />that is an interesting term "politically correct Bulldog".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-75187948069811770482011-09-03T18:11:19.616+01:002011-09-03T18:11:19.616+01:00No Bestuvall, of course not all science is wrong o...No Bestuvall, of course not all science is wrong or harmful but we do need to know where to draw the line when manipulating other species.<br /><br />And no I wouldn't say artificial reproduction should be stopped entirely for endangered species. If there was a case where very few remained in a population, and here's the crux - *used as a temporary measure* it could be beneficial to repopulate into a suitable habitat if that existed. But no, definitely not to keep a species going for zoos and circuses, if there were so little natural habitat left that a wild population wouldn't be sustainable.<br /><br />Your Aussie/Romania question. I would hope that there was an alternative to the dog next door. That's a very strange situation, I'm not sure it would arise often enough to make a difference. We are after all talking about the trend in pedigree dog breeding. The increasing use of artificial reproduction methods and how it could affect the population as a whole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-85777919155472874432011-09-03T17:03:31.102+01:002011-09-03T17:03:31.102+01:00"One exception would be the use of A1 to faci..."One exception would be the use of A1 to facilitate low COI, but then that should only be used on parents who have previously reproduced normally IMO."<br /><br />so let's take this example.. <br />you want to breed to a dog from .. say Australia.. .. you live in Romania..in order to reduce your COI. Neither dog nor bitch has produced a litter naturally but both have been fully health tested. so should you breed your bitch to the dog next door and have the Aussie dog bred to the bitch next door in order to fulfill your idea of natural reproduction. That makes no sense to me at all,but then I seem have a much broader view of the world than most of you. We managed well in "bygone years' with out vaccines, antibiotics and even aspirin.. perhaps we should go back to that day and age as well.<br />I don't expect any of you to share my view about the use of science to improve the health and welfare of dogs. If you do not believe in the advancement of science.. then don't utilize it.<br />But really can you prove that a whole country is employing using reproduction of endangered species as a "cover up" for something else and even if it were true does that mean that it should be stopped everywhere?<br />BestuvallAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-28329199150025343712011-09-03T15:33:45.056+01:002011-09-03T15:33:45.056+01:00You might all be interested to know that the Swiss...You might all be interested to know that the Swiss are trying to (re)create a politically correct Bulldog, i.e. : http://www.continental-bulldogs.ch/standard-e.htm They will probably ask for this "new" breed to be registered officially by the FCI in due course (as they also did for the White Sheepdog). There will therefore soon be an alternative, at least on the Continent, to the English Bulldog for those people who prefer them with longer legs, noses, etc...Jackie Bearenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58156800633224497052011-09-03T10:50:25.145+01:002011-09-03T10:50:25.145+01:00Bestuvall, I'd say there are many who don'...Bestuvall, I'd say there are many who don't share your view that such high tech intervention with the reproduction of domesticated species is for their benefit. It is most certainly for our benefit. One exception would be the use of A1 to facilitate low COI, but then that should only be used on parents who have previously reproduced normally IMO.<br /><br />Rather worryingly the use of repro vets in the UK is becoming more common and A1 is used routinely for some breeds that would not usually be seen to be 'difficult.' <br /><br />We certainly managed well is bygone years without this, general vets are well equipped to care for the welfare of individuals and any further intervention is just for human benefit.<br /><br />Endangered species, I know one researcher in this field who believes intervention in reproduction is doing only harm here too. One county in particular is employing it in an attempt to draw attention away from the massive habitat destruction that is the real reason for species depletion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-18510038366858045952011-09-03T08:51:41.812+01:002011-09-03T08:51:41.812+01:00Jemima. the actual reproduction of puppies is not...Jemima. the actual reproduction of puppies is not the only thing a theriogenologist does... surely you realize that.. don't you.. as for the prevailing view.. there was time when people thought the earth was flat and the moon was made of green cheese.. but those days are over.. aren't they?<br />Meanwhile can you give us a list of those drugs that Dr Hutch "routine uses"? I have been to his clinic and found very little "routine" except the highest standard of care for all of his clients.<br />Although we write about dogs here ( with the occasional horse thrown in) reproductive science influences all of the world of animals. How do you think we keep some species from extinction or from being endangered.. <br />To imagine that reproductive science or any science does not advance in order to maintain the status quo or even worse to revert to a day when breeding dogs was just going to the neighbors dog or turning your bitch in season loose is detrimental not only to dogs.. but to the world at large.<br />Your fear of change is my expectation and hope for the future.<br />BestuvallAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com