tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post866312467512363532..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Syringomyelia in pugsJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-62783261971768007242013-12-18T03:26:10.320+00:002013-12-18T03:26:10.320+00:00Having bred crossbred dogs for 20 years (before th...Having bred crossbred dogs for 20 years (before they started to be called designer dogs) I can assure you all that most serious hybrid dog breeders crossbreed because they know their puppies will be sound, sane and appropriate pets. <br />We may be breeding for vile commercial reasons (although I personally think anyone who doesn't make money breeding dogs will stuff it up) but we know we can offer health guarantees and lifetime rehoming policies without the risk of going broke. <br />If breeders of Shar Peis, Pugs etc were obliged to give refunds for health problems they'd stop breeding overnight.<br />The list of genetic problems facing purebreds is ovewhelming and most screening programs further reduce genetic diversity. Until the stud books are opened to allow new bloodlines and genetics from complementary breeds you'll never win guys! <br />Katehttp://www.family-pets.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-25285836796693114702013-12-18T03:09:09.275+00:002013-12-18T03:09:09.275+00:00To Jemima's admirable list I would add - open ...To Jemima's admirable list I would add - open up the stud books to allow BYB pugs with a "touch" of Jack russell or other breeds in. <br />Most of the seriously damaged breeds have nowhere to go - they are caught in the "genetic cul de sac" with not enough variation left to back out. <br />Crossbreed them!Katehttp://www.family-pets.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-49782597396540854362013-11-01T19:54:17.574+00:002013-11-01T19:54:17.574+00:00So what would you think was a representative numbe...So what would you think was a representative number of pugs in training in 1 small geographical area to suggest that the hype about vast percentages of pugs being unhealthy are exagerated? We often have 50 pugs at our get togethers, all capable of a 2 hours walk or 2 hours of robust play. No special selection other than the owners want to bring them along. Of the regular bunch I know of 1 who has had surgery (a rescue) this is very far away from your assumption of 25% unhealthy. <br /><br /> A lot of the people who join the pug agility class do so because they want to improve their pug's fitness, we have a few older, tubbier or less active pugs come along, none have not been able to take part in the training due to health issues or struggled for breathing at any time. But of course, my sample of up to 50 pugs I know would have to be skewed in some way as it does not represent your assumed 25% of defective pugs, is your "sample" based on the 1 rescue pug you met, or purely on the hype?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-33386525086039872182013-10-30T13:43:52.039+00:002013-10-30T13:43:52.039+00:00Anon 28 October 05:18:
Whilst I commend you for w...Anon 28 October 05:18:<br /><br />Whilst I commend you for wanting to breed a healthier Pug, I think the breed is too unhealthy for this to be ethical. Let me explain why:<br /><br />I'm making up these figures, but let's say an ISDS-bred Border Collie - where health-testing is mandatory - has a 1 in 100 chance of contracting a serious disease, and a 1 in 10,000 chance of having a respiratory restriction that would affect its ability to work herding sheep. This means that despite the best intentions of the breeders, a small percentage of dogs will suffer. However, we know that because genetics is a bit of a lottery, we can't eliminate risk; we can only keep it to acceptable levels. <br /><br />As a comparison, let's say a Pug bred by a regular breeder has a 1 in 5 chance of contracting a disorder, and a 1 in 3 chance of having breathing issues. <br /><br />A Pug bred by someone who is serious about wanting to breed healthier Pugs, can breed a litter where the odds are reduced to a 1 in 10 chance of typical breed illnesses, and a 1 in 6 chance of respiration issues. Whilst this is definitely an improvement, there are still far too many dogs that will suffer. <br /><br />Now you may claim that in 3 generations, you can reduce this risk even further. However, I don't think it's ethical to breed any litter, where there is a high risk of the dogs having problems, even whilst you are trying to improve the breed. Many of the dogs bred in the meantime will not lead happy, unrestricted lives, free of affliction.<br /><br />The Pug is a sick breed and I think that, like the CKCS, not even an outcross can save it, because too many dogs will have difficulties, whilst they attempt to get the breed back to health. <br /><br />I do agree with you about political divergence, and I don't know what the answer is, although the work done by the Center for Nonviolent Communication is a step in the right direction. https://www.cnvc.org/<br />Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-21920418054739582992013-10-29T16:52:16.110+00:002013-10-29T16:52:16.110+00:00Anonymous25 October 2013 15:38 EXACTLY my though...Anonymous25 October 2013 15:38 EXACTLY my thoughts. very good post.<br /><br /><br />I know of a top show breeder who had a litter of crosses and got nothing but praise because of who they where. the other show breeders couldn't praise the puppies enough, even saying what nice quality type they had ,lol it was quite funny to see.<br />they gave them a daft name too.<br /><br />now if it had been a pet breeder they would have been lynched<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-70714282981704690222013-10-29T07:22:35.192+00:002013-10-29T07:22:35.192+00:00Anon 28, 2055,
I am not surprised that all the pu...Anon 28, 2055,<br /><br />I am not surprised that all the pugs who showed up for agility were healthy. All the people who signed up to run the local Marathon were probably healthy, but that doesn't mean that everyone in the city is also healthy. Who would sign up a sickly wheezing pug for agility?<br /><br />That doesn't mean that there aren't unhealthy pugs still out there, and many other pugs who were quietly put to sleep because of expensive health problems or because the owner felt that there was no other way to relieve the pug's suffering.<br /><br />25% is an average number of unhealthy puppies produced in a case where a person buys a puppy with certain health problems, and the breeder says that her dogs don't have that health problem and that "most"of the puppies she sells are healthy, so why shouldn't she rebreed the parent dogs again?<br /><br />What that means is that she has weeded out the afflicted from her breeding stock, but is breeding carriers. About 25% of puppies from two recessive carriers will become afflicteds. Sad. The numbers were NOT in reference to just pugs or any one breeder.<br /><br />I once met a woman who wanted me to see how healthy her pug was. I had trouble believing that a dog with that short a muzzle could be healthy. She insisted he was. I asked if he had had surgery and she started to get angry, wanting me to look and see for myself that he was a pug and he was healthy.<br /><br />I talked with her for awhile. She said the pug was a rescue and that he had been a young adult or older puppy when she got him.<br /><br />So how could she know if he had had surgery? She said it had been her sister who had actually adopted the pug.<br /><br />When her sister walked over, she asked her if the dog had surgery before she adopted him.<br /><br />Yes, he had had some type of throat surgery. So I ask: how could anyone look at a bunch of agility pugs and guess which had had surgery?<br /><br />And I re-ask, if there are so many fit pugs, pekes, and bulldogs, then why are we seeing gasping dogs with ice packs at dog shows? Even winning the shows!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-69588759102564075932013-10-28T20:55:53.028+00:002013-10-28T20:55:53.028+00:00Anonymous 28 Oct, you are missing my point. This ...Anonymous 28 Oct, you are missing my point. This is a mix of pugs who simply live in the same area, so a random selection. None has had surgery, none has health issues. Where do the figures of 25% born to suffer come from? It cannot be that part of the UK simply has healthier pugs than the rest ? (or the world) ?. Healthy pugs are here, they look like pugs, have flat faces, but with not overdone nose rolls and with good open nostrils. IF your figures are correct why do I see and know dozens without problems, and none (that I know personally) with them? And of these pugs quite a few have shown before doing agility, and shown successfully. The problem is being exaggerated, and those promoting the thinking that pugs are seriously flawed then seem to fly into self righteous fury when challenged. Of course there are some health issues in pugs, and in other breeds and crosses to, but to read the majority of the post here it looks like every other pug is in danger of keeling over at it's next breath. Breeders are addressing health problems, testing where available, but no, not changing the basic structure because it works as it is - and our bunch can prove it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-60906817376204339212013-10-28T19:21:15.295+00:002013-10-28T19:21:15.295+00:00What does it say about judges IF there are all the...What does it say about judges IF there are all these healthy pugs, pekes, and bulldogs running and happily jumping about, but we often see winning dogs that are so sickly they need ice packs and struggle to breathe?<br /><br />And is it fine to breed dogs if 25% of the puppies grow up to suffer worse than if they were being beaten? And to say,"Look at the 75% who seem okay."?<br /><br />With these breeds, some of the problems can be helped with surgery which allows the dogs to breathe better, maybe to even do agility if they don't have other health problems too, and to be an amassador of good health for their breed. But if the surgery were so easy and affordable,wh y do we see, and hear, so many dogs that struggle to breathe?<br /><br />A few good apples on top of the barrel doesn't mean that the rest of the haven't gone bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-79235674634702484932013-10-28T05:18:21.070+00:002013-10-28T05:18:21.070+00:00“So, you think it's perfectly acceptable to br...“So, you think it's perfectly acceptable to breed dogs that run an exceedingly high risk of suffering from BOAS, laryngeal collapse, hemivertebrae, cherry eye, luxating patellas, skinfold dermatitis, severe dental problems because their mouths are too small for their 42 teeth, hip dysplasia, pug encephalitis, and now SM?”<br />No, I do not think it’s acceptable to breed dogs in such a horrific state. I’m not blinded to the problem, as what anon 17:41 ambushed “Tough to take for some people. Denial is a dangerous place.” But I don’t think unregistering them will solve anything either. People will keep breeding them in that poor state. <br />I don’t have to list all the improvements that need to be made to the pug and other breeds like them. It’s been blogged many times on this site. You know that, I know that. But if anything that is more lethal to the human race is political divergence. We all have our disagreements, which is one thing, but unwillingly not being able to work together is rather toxic, for both sides. Don’t you dare think that I’m giving the majority of pug breeders slack, they are just as to blame for why the pug’s health is not improving. <br />For breeders like me who are trying to breed pugs in a better quality for better health, It does not make it any easier to have people like you (hoping and advocating in ending the breed all together) and the breeders who are not willing to help improve the breed’s health. Whether your speaking the truth. Proof, or no proof. End of story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-21586791032401536362013-10-27T22:58:01.509+00:002013-10-27T22:58:01.509+00:00Yesterday 2 pugs were competing at a KC agility sh...Yesterday 2 pugs were competing at a KC agility show, one of them a young dog at his first show, won 2 classes. The other, a 5 year old who was shown at Crufts as a pup, won his class, this win was the last one he needed to become Agility Grade 6, only 1 step from the highest grade possible. Not all pugs are unhealthy, unfit, and unable to breathe. The pugs competed against dozens of dogs who would generally be considered much more likely to be succesful at agility, such as Terriers, Spaniels, Shetland Sheepdogs and lots of crossbreeds too. They belong to a club where almost 30 pugs are in training for agility, ranging in age from 15 weeks up to 9 years old. They adore the speed, the challenge, some of them squeal with excitement as they go round - and they all breathe without problem. OK, not a response to the Syringomyelia problem which opened this discussion, but in reply to the persistent assumption that pugs are ALL unhealthy. I would love to be able to add that all of these pugs are well bred, but they are a mixed bag, quite a few are show bred, but the rest are simply pugs form the local area whose owners wanted to give the activity and the training a go. Some are long legged, one or two have longer noses, but several are very much to breed standard and none of them have any health issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-73798168365484373752013-10-25T15:38:01.237+01:002013-10-25T15:38:01.237+01:00Fran, you are right in that there are good breeder...Fran, you are right in that there are good breeders and bad breeders in most types of dog breeding. But many people define "good" as "anyone who breeds like I do".<br /><br />Many show breeders feel that only other show breeders can be good breeders. People even post this belief of their's on the internet as if it were a fact!<br /><br />And I have heard show breeders say that not all show breedes are good breeders BECAUSE many of them think they can just breed two champion dogs, BUT that is not enough as the grandparents count too, so a good breeder is one who only breeds champion dogs who also come from a long line of show winners.<br /><br />And there are plenty of trail dog people who laugh at show breders, and who believe that REAL dogs enter into competitive sports.<br /><br />The themes here are that both believe that what makes a breeder a good breeder is that they breed dogs who win at the owner's hobbie.<br /><br />My idea is that a good breeder is one who breeds dogs who fit well into the types of homes/places that the puppies will be sold into. If many of your puppies are sold as pets, then it makes sense to breed dogs who are what pet people will be happy with - a healthy dog who is tame, safe, and easy to care for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-81695413963687620502013-10-25T13:24:03.690+01:002013-10-25T13:24:03.690+01:00Anon 02:31: I'm not convinced that breeders of...Anon 02:31: I'm not convinced that breeders of crossbreeds are all out to breed a healthier dog. I'm sure a lot of them are simply out to make money. Cross breeding from unhealthy dogs will likely result in unhealthy puppies. I've seen plenty of adverts for 'designer dogs' and I don't recall a single one mentioning health tests. Of course there will be ones that do health test and are breeding for health, but just like in the show world, there are plenty who aren't. There are good and bad breeders, whether they're show, working or cross-breeds. Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-79010139021936392052013-10-25T02:31:43.618+01:002013-10-25T02:31:43.618+01:00My! Anon 2130 you must know many designer dog bree...My! Anon 2130 you must know many designer dog breeders to be able to paint so detailed a picture of them as a group.Yet, it seems that you are not one of them? <br /><br />How is it that you believe you know what they are like unless you hang out with them? And if you loathe them so much, why do you hang out with them?<br /><br />I believe that designer dog breeders are creative and forward thinking. Did you know that Herr Dobermann was a designer dog breeder? He crossed feisty little terriers with larger dogs. And the Captain who made the German Shepherd breed?He was a designer dog breeder too, wasn't he ?<br /><br />I guess we all know about the creations of many designer dog breeders, because that is how many of the dog breeds were developed.<br /><br />It takes as much work the plan and raise a crossbred litter as a purebred one, so I doubt that money is a motive in designer dog breeding. People who crossbreed are often aiming to produce a healthier litter of dogs - that is as worthy a goal as aiming to produce a litter for the show ring, isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-42891525058523453812013-10-24T21:30:23.923+01:002013-10-24T21:30:23.923+01:00Designer dog breeders are another species of scam ...Designer dog breeders are another species of scam artists. They have no integrity, no knowledge in genetics or dog breeding and overcharge people for what can only be called mutts. They have no sound breeding program with clearly defined objectives which justifies the price they charge to an uneducated public. They are some legitimate crossbreedings with a long history of producing a reliably consistent hybrid, like the lurcher or the crossings performed to obtain high performance sleight dogs. But all those overpriced mutts coming out of the woodwork are as much a disaster than what the show ring has done for the dogs. Its done by people who don't care about dogs for the sake of make a quick bucks of uneducated people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-90855390252742699822013-10-22T05:00:59.160+01:002013-10-22T05:00:59.160+01:00IMO: Pugs are half of a breed.
How can it be oka...IMO: Pugs are half of a breed. <br /><br />How can it be okay to breed puppies who will grow up to struggle just to breathe? Isn't there some law against cruelty to animals which would apply to breeding dogs to a standard which causes suffering for the dog?<br /><br />Can there really be good pug breeders? What's good about cursing puppies to grow up unfit?<br /><br />Given the inbred problems and the wording of the standard, I believe the best pug breeders produce Puggles or Pugpins - which are cuter, less extreme, and not inbred. <br /><br />Have you seen the cute photos of all the pug+ (pug plus something else) puppies? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-46374819613061996352013-10-19T00:12:36.595+01:002013-10-19T00:12:36.595+01:00That's because, Fran, they don't believe t...That's because, Fran, they don't believe that "responsible" breeders are adding to the overpopulation problem.Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-59409235337539676772013-10-18T14:27:19.836+01:002013-10-18T14:27:19.836+01:00Just seen on the Staffie club website that SM has ...Just seen on the Staffie club website that SM has been found to affect some staffies too. <br /><br />Interestingly, there was nothing on the SBTC website about the massive over-population problems in this breed. Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-69847598761885718902013-10-15T11:14:54.263+01:002013-10-15T11:14:54.263+01:00"to be fair to the average bod on the street ..."to be fair to the average bod on the street they don't look under the cover"<br /><br /><br />Let's be honest, the "average bod on the street" often chooses to ignore what has been shown to them under the cover or chooses not to look when the cover has been lifted for them. You brought up a great example of this; does anyone not know smoking significantly increases ones risk of getting cancers and other health issues?PipedreamFarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689373141070251132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-79122279347928448552013-10-11T16:45:34.679+01:002013-10-11T16:45:34.679+01:00Hmm...
Jamesbe Welsh Border, total 2x,grandfather ...Hmm...<br />Jamesbe Welsh Border, total 2x,grandfather 2x (3, 5). Therefore responsible for all of his ancestors showing up double, which shall be noted.<br />------<br />Ch Claybridge Likley Lad w/ Edtzu, total 2x (2x through Welsh), great-grandfather 2x (2x through Welsh) (7,11). <br />Jamesbe Jazzmin at Ranaholme, total 2x (2x through Welsh), great-grandmother 2x (2x through Welsh) (8, 12).<br />-------<br />Ch Huptzah His Nibs at Edtzu, total 2x (2x through Welsh), great-great-granfather 2x (2x through Welsh) (15, 23).<br />Claybridge Lucy Luv, total 3x (2x through Welsh), great-great-grandmother 2x (2x through Welsh), great-great-great-grandmother 1x (16, 24, 62).<br />Ch Ranaholme Im'e Zag of Claybridge, total 6x (4x through Welsh, 3x through Lucy), great-great-grandfather 3x (2x through Welsh), great-great-great-grandfather 2x (2x through Welsh, 2x through Lucy), great-great-great-great-father (inferred) 1x (1x through Lucy) (17, 25, 29, 33, 49, father of 62)<br />Claybridge Is It Ismay, total 2x (2x through Welsh), great-great-grandmother 2x (2x through Welsh) (18, 26)<br />----------<br />Sandabur Felix, total 3x (2x through Welsh, 2x through His Nibs), great-great-great-grandfather 3x (31, 47, 55)<br />Jubullea Sahbra of Hutzpah, total 3x (2x through Welsh, 2x through His Nibs), great-great-great-grandmother 3x (32, 48, 56)<br />(Im'e Zag)<br />Ranaholme Tiger Lily, total 3x (2x through Welsh, 3x through Lucy), great-great-great-grandmother 2x (2x through Welsh, 2x through Lucy), great-great-great-great-grandmother 1x (1x through Lucy) (inferred) (34, 50, mother of 62)<br />Ch Claybridge Revenge, total 7x (4x through Welsh, 3x through Lucy, 6x through Im'e Zag), great-great-great-grandfather 4x (2x through Welsh, 3x through Im'e Zag), great-great-great-great-grandfather 2x (inferred) (2x through Welsh, 2x through Lucy, 2x through Im'e Zag), great-great-great-great-great-grandfather 1x (inferred) (1x through Lucy, 1x through Im'e Zag) (35, 51, 59, 61, father of 33, father of 49, paternal greatfather of 62)<br />Jamesbe Gypsy Rose of Ranaholme, total 6x (4x through Welsh, 3x through Lucy, 6x through Im'e Zag), great-great-great-grandmother 3x (2x through Welsh, 3x through Im'e Zag), great-great-great-great-grandmother 2x (inferred) (2x through Welsh, 2x through Lucy, 2x through Im'e Zag) great-great-great-great-great-grandmother 1x (1x through Lucy, 1x through Im'e Zag) (36, 52, 60, mother of 33, mother of 49, paternal greatmother of 62)<br />Ch Poosbury Punchdrunk, total 3x (2x through Welsh, 2x through Is It), great-great-great-grandfather 3x (2x through Welsh, 2x through Is It) (37, 53, 57)<br />Claybridge Mini the Moucher, total 2x (2x through Welsh, 2x through Is It), great-great-great-grandmother 2x (2x through Welsh, 2x through Is It) (38, 54)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-35236974570491872582013-10-09T18:55:36.152+01:002013-10-09T18:55:36.152+01:00Hi Anon 14:19 the only way people who are bad dog ...Hi Anon 14:19 the only way people who are bad dog breeders stop producing "sick" puppies is when the people who purchase those puppies realise that they can take the matter further when the breeder denies any responsibility. The general public mostly do not know the possible perils when purchasing a pretty little puppy of their desired breed, BUT THE BREEDERS DO. They are passing onto innocent people an expensive, heart breaking experience. As for the poor puppy, what can we say, the breeders are too cruel to continue a "type of puppy" just for money it has to stop. Visit DAC and read what the French Bulldog lady has to say - commendable and admirable but most importantly is that it becomes effective and other FB fanciers shake themselves awake.Georginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64237343151871687022013-10-09T15:11:05.974+01:002013-10-09T15:11:05.974+01:00Jemima - that is such a good idea. How would such ...Jemima - that is such a good idea. How would such an organisation stand legally? My immediate hunch is that even if someone was smart enough to execute it with the best balance of moral and business ethics, the KC would still probably bitch and moan about it.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-85384599184458816232013-10-09T14:26:54.357+01:002013-10-09T14:26:54.357+01:00But Jemima, to be fair to the average bod on the s...But Jemima, to be fair to the average bod on the street they don't look under the cover. Perhaps some of the education regarding dogs could be included in the curriculum of schools. I know that there are some projects of this sort going on and perhaps it could be expanded. Like anon said, most people watch tv, they don't have a dog, see a dog in the tv times or an advertisement and the desire starts to grow. A lot of people are really impressed by the word "pedigree", it blinds their thought processes. Like cigarette advertising, perhaps pictures of bulldogs/pugs/bostons etc etc that are used for promotional purposes, could carry a "health warning" and suggest they contact their vet to seek advice before purchasing such a breed. Definitely the Wonder of Dogs was a missed opportunity but the bit about Jack Russells was totally inaccurate and nonsense. In the main it is successful and enjoyable to watch people enjoying and loving their dogs. Very positive.Georginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-24817119776850133542013-10-09T14:19:49.406+01:002013-10-09T14:19:49.406+01:00The point is that there is no point in blaming any...The point is that there is no point in blaming anyone if people are able to produce defective dogs/cars/fridges and sell them when there is no regulatory system in place to monitor and protect. You take a risk and you live with the consequences. The difference between dogs and cars is that they are sentient beings and they don't have a choice. Check out this article on MRI preliminary data on dogs. The social discussion arising is interesting in that it implies we all have to be accountable for the emotional well being of our dogs - breeders, owners, KC etc. - and that 'owners' is a potentially dirty word anyway.... <br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/opinion/sunday/dogs-are-people-too.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-55031194935126870872013-10-09T14:00:07.995+01:002013-10-09T14:00:07.995+01:00Haven't had a chance to join in on this until ...Haven't had a chance to join in on this until now, but just to say that I agree totally with PipedreamFarm that the public needs to be more accountable for the choices they make.<br /><br />It infuriates me that people call about having bought a cav or a pug or bulldog without ensuring any health checks have been done and then start ranting at the breeder when the dog crumples in front of them. Hell, even if health checks have been done, they still need to be aware of the role they have played in perpetuating the problems.<br /><br />That all said, expecting the consumer to do SO much work is absolutely counter to the way that it works with anything else you buy and I feel there is real scope for a professional clearing house that sources the best-bred pups and matches with the best homes and in doing so can offer a guarantee that goes way beyond the small return window currently offered by most breeders. Yep, just like a fridge. It doesn't mean the dog isn't going to break down - but it means that there is financial and perhaps even practical assistance if it does. <br /><br />Entrepreneur needed.<br /><br />JemimaJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1304402575672025342013-10-09T13:31:58.863+01:002013-10-09T13:31:58.863+01:00When you choose to buy a genetic mutation you were...When you choose to buy a genetic mutation you were not duped by the seller when you end up with a genetic mutation.PipedreamFarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689373141070251132noreply@blogger.com