tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post6116887067498553209..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Exclusive: and the reason the Neo failed was....Jemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-39406549373220194652015-01-27T02:14:47.994+00:002015-01-27T02:14:47.994+00:00Anonymous 18:13, if I was a breeder of any of thos...Anonymous 18:13, if I was a breeder of any of those 15 breeds I would call for an outright breed boycott of Crufts not a single representative of those breeds shown in it period, I would make sure to spread the word to the other 14 as well. I would also get the word out to the non covered breeds as well asking them to join the boycott so that the show would be cancelled due to no entries period. The boycott would go on until the vet checks were done away with. Humiliating people in public, robbing them of their dignity, robbing them of their money, demeaning their dog in public shame on KC. Trishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00650864302229431099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36895515816565991602013-03-25T15:48:05.932+00:002013-03-25T15:48:05.932+00:00Wouldnt the world be perfect if both sides could?....Wouldnt the world be perfect if both sides could?... All I want is for breeders to start breeding dogs that lack all the health issues they seem to be plagued with these days... it will be for the betterment of all breeds to have firmer stipulations in the breedstandards for all breeds that any health issue even a minor one should render the dogs unsound... breeders are supposed to be breeding to enhance the breed... this should include health also yes? But I totally agree.. any critisms towards the breeders should be handled delicately and constructive in nature, and at the same time breeders should be open to constructive critism and make positive moves towards change..... If this could happen it will be so much better for our dogs and us as pet owners.... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-14056630712894018042013-03-25T15:38:13.530+00:002013-03-25T15:38:13.530+00:00Evidently one moment of elation over someone final...Evidently one moment of elation over someone finally listening to the idea that something needs to be done for the health of all breeds has been taken so out of context... I agree it probably wasnt the best way to point the step towards change out... As a Neo owner who adores the breed, I hope breeders move towards breeding less exaggerated looking dogs and start breeding more for health... But the suggestion to get a Neo specific vet to me really seems borderline laughable... I mean what does that mean? Sorry if I am mistaken but I find myself asking where exactly will I find such a vet as a pet owner as the only vets that I am aware of anywhere around my part of the world have all studied and trained in their professions at the same place. Perhaps I should then be flying my pets across the globe to europe where its apparent such vets who have extensively trained and studied soley to specialise only on neos exist. But then I am almost certain that this wouldnt really be necessary as its apparent from some of the comments in this blog that the breeders are actually more versed in animal health conditions and treatments than an experienced and professionally trained vet. Maybe I should just consider taking my dog to a breeder who's dogs win at every show when it needs vetting, after all the opinions of some of the commentors suggests that a breeder whos dogs are deemed to look pretty will know far better than even the most qualified of vets and having been told that my neo is not show quality or type, and even as far as being suggested that he (though registered) is a bandog, whatever, I only brought him as a pet quality dog in the first place on the limited register, I find it funny to think that his titled show quality sister (same litter) who is more wrinkly has several health issues with her skin and yet he the "unsound for show pup" doesnt. So he was sold to be desexed as no good for breeding or show (their loss is my gain) and she will continue to be shown and bred from.... hmmnnnn food for thought..... Oh and as for the comment that if you don't like droopy eyes buy something else.... my boy has droopy eyes, but nowhere near to the extent as droopy as the show dog shown here, also nowhere near as red and inflammed looking... I know I know you claim that their eyes are supposed to be like that, but I failed to find anywhere in the breed standard that their eyes should be dark red and inflammed looking... I mean I totally could be wrong so I am happy to stand corrected and you are more than welcome, infact I encourage anyone to point out highlight and post the chapter in the breed standard for neos that states their eyes should appear red and inflammed... And personally I prefer the dog who has the eyes that are the normal pinkish colour that my boys are, but then hey what would I know I am just a pet owner.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-4470244681131849932012-03-19T10:15:51.375+00:002012-03-19T10:15:51.375+00:00I find it infantile for you to some how gloat, in ...I find it infantile for you to some how gloat, in what you percieve to be, her short lived victory. Neapolitans do not receive CC, nor would ever be serious contenders in a group. So to achieve BOB at Crufts Is the pinacle of this Lady's hopes and aspirations. She went to a great deal of effort and expence I'm sure bringing her dog from Belgiun and had a professional handler. I'm quite sure she entirely unaware of this blog(thankfully so) and she went home to Belgiun elated with her sucess and bemused by the kennel club position. She would be used to showing her dog under FCI standards and rules in mainland europe . Her own sense of pride and victory is for her to judge, not you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-2330292109280926442012-03-18T23:13:28.119+00:002012-03-18T23:13:28.119+00:00hello cat Person,
Don't jump on the Jemima ban...hello cat Person,<br />Don't jump on the Jemima bandwagon too quickly how long before a PCE?<br />Do you think cats are free from health defects?<br />How about breeding for exaggerations hmmmm let me think spynx or maybe munchkins have I given you a new idea Jemima I would obviously want a fee but it might get you back on a mainstream channel.<br />Or how about doing a humans exposed the species with the least inbreeding and the most hereditary problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-76566237494136128142012-03-16T19:02:15.257+00:002012-03-16T19:02:15.257+00:00this dog is a disgrace these dogs where war dogs a...this dog is a disgrace these dogs where war dogs and are meant to be fast and run long distances and live to a good age,this dog is not of breed standard but of what most people in the UK think they should look like, ban all breeders that breed these dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-23565886806192097522012-03-16T18:55:29.397+00:002012-03-16T18:55:29.397+00:00good mastiff breeders don't breed these unfit ...good mastiff breeders don't breed these unfit for purpose mastiffs, the only wrinkles they should have are to direct the blood away from there eyes, these breeders should not be breeding these pathetic excuses of mastiff, but then it should never have won b.o.bAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-92107460114933383882012-03-15T17:24:07.974+00:002012-03-15T17:24:07.974+00:00I am a cat person, and know very little about dogs...I am a cat person, and know very little about dogs. I do feel though that mucous membranes of the eyes and the mouth should not be visible - these membranes by their very nature are internal structures, which need to be kept moist by bodily fluids. This surely can't be comfortable for the dog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36799721404115432852012-03-14T23:30:36.934+00:002012-03-14T23:30:36.934+00:00To clear up any confusion, organisers of private e...To clear up any confusion, organisers of private events can have any rule they like regarding photography, these are the most pertinent ones I think [ from the form which has to be filled in by anyone taking photos at the show ] <br /><br />'2c) No film/photographs to be taken or published which shall contain<br />anything obscene or libellous or defamatory or infringe any<br />intellectual property right or any right whatever of any person<br />(including the Kennel Club); or which may be to the detriment of<br />the dogs taking part in the event, the Kennel Club or any visitors;<br />or which may be prejudicial to the good image of the Kennel Club<br />or which would if made public lead to adverse publicity for the<br />Kennel Club or cause damage to the Kennel Club or bring the<br />reputation of the Kennel Club or its members and/or visitors into<br />question'<br /><br />'3c) Not to film/photograph any specific dog without the consent of the<br />exhibitor and to inform the exhibitor of the intended use of such<br />photographs and where the photographs may be published eg<br />specific websites and so on.'<br /><br /><br />Presumably the photographer [ who was not JH as it happens, not on some of them anyway ] did fill in and submit the form to the KC and did ask permission of the handlers concerned and let them know where the photos were to be used ? <br />If not, they exhibitors and the KC have the right to sue as it happens - just so no one continues to believe nor dole out misinformation on the subject ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64348568933431440522012-03-14T17:00:35.421+00:002012-03-14T17:00:35.421+00:00This seems like such a blanket statement. I think ...This seems like such a blanket statement. I think if anything good comes out of taking peoples dignity away in such a harsh manner, it would be a hope for it to be stronger oppinions and actions for testing. Though I have to say pedigreed dogs when paired with non pedigreed dogs have far more testing. Also to consider dog owners who are willing to travel and go through great expense to keep their dogs true to the breed also typically ( though not always) also fight between themselves a lot.....one of the topics of competition...testing. ironic isn't it? The group who must hold the torch (rightfully so) is the group who typically practices this topic to exhaustion and to their last pennies. There is a terrible misconception the people who are in the show ring are the ones laughing all the way to the bank. When the opposite is usually true. The people who don't care about testing, breed indescrimanently, and do not re-invest in the breed you will rarely find at shows. <br /><br />All this to say there are SO many people in the show world that are just as passionate about health issues that could lead this into so much more than a war between two organizations. Instead I would hope to see unity and steady progress. True health issues to start and as those are crossed off the list more and more issues can be brought to light and delt with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-46189205404426711472012-03-14T16:46:55.722+00:002012-03-14T16:46:55.722+00:00Nothing is wrong with that dog's eyes. The bre...Nothing is wrong with that dog's eyes. The breed is supposed to look like that. This is not to say that some Neos have eye problems, but not these. The droopy eye is part of the breed. The loose skin is part of breed. The lumbering run is part of the breed. Attempting to make a Neo look like an English Mastiff is not the answer. Forcing breeders to have their dogs checked by qualified vets in a comprehensive manner IS a better solution than vets that are checking for what the judges have already said is the BOB doesn't make any sense. <br /><br />Again, the dog does not have pink eye, nor is there anything wrong with its lips and mouth (and NO, I am not the breeder). A physical defect is different than a physical attribute you find unattractive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-68594818748062939192012-03-14T16:23:11.241+00:002012-03-14T16:23:11.241+00:00That DOG is a beauty who meets the breed standard ...That DOG is a beauty who meets the breed standard - until recently changed - and looks like a Neo is supposed to look. A Neo with tight skin and tight eyes is NOT a Neo. It is a different dog. Unless you own, are a Neo specific Vet, or breed these dogs you have no business speaking to their health or their appearance. If you do not like the droopy eyes, get a different dog. Personally I think poodles are stupid looking, so I don't own one. But I also don't post about their health and conformation as it is not my area of expertise. The dog above was the BEST of all the Neos, accordingly what they are saying is that NONE of the neos were healthy. That is WRONG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-57395011267580488662012-03-14T14:49:23.879+00:002012-03-14T14:49:23.879+00:00It seems the people who started this to stop hurts...It seems the people who started this to stop hurts have enjoyed the taste of blood. Very few people seem to look for answers less than a special tacular victory. Doesn't seem much different than the goals of the breeders they are trying to stop. Seems a fair, more constructive answer may have been to have the opportunity to have the same vet look at the dog BEFORE entering the ring. Could even be charged for the opportunity. But to allow someone to win and then publicly humiliate them just seems like more of the same. People who like the fight. More than the effect. Very sad both sides could work together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-37863354059257822162012-03-13T10:40:32.553+00:002012-03-13T10:40:32.553+00:00Ha ! Of course there will be those who can argue...Ha ! Of course there will be those who can argue with this. The cognitively defunct, psychopaths and egocentrics. Who else! Nobody who truly cares about dogs will have any objections. Certain breeders created this, therefore they can darned well breed these exaggerations back out! I feel sorry for those who would have once loved this breed, and who have walked away over the years as things took on this strange appearance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-82448474142839981962012-03-13T03:59:00.457+00:002012-03-13T03:59:00.457+00:00Oh my god, 07:57, way to miss the point. We aren&#...Oh my god, 07:57, way to miss the point. We aren't PETA douches, we don't want dogs killed, we just want the next generation of dogs to suffer less. And lol when you call us Nazis, considering that the nazis were all about pure blood and getting rid of "mongrel" races. We don't want perfection. Perfection is a stupid and unrealistic ideal. We just want the next generation of dogs to be able to live long, healthy doggy lives with their owners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-76659717053761372092012-03-12T19:18:48.109+00:002012-03-12T19:18:48.109+00:00For those of you attacking Ms. Harrison for compar...For those of you attacking Ms. Harrison for comparing the purebred dog fancy to eugenicists and the Nazis, the President of the Pekingese Club of America claims that people like Jemima are going to bring about another Holocaust. I don't remember her saying anything like that at all about anyone.<br /><br />http://retrieverman.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/the-paranoid-rantings-of-the-president-of-the-pekingese-club-of-america/Retrievermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15780519136583108632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-26690684391650227412012-03-12T18:42:23.486+00:002012-03-12T18:42:23.486+00:00LOL Thanks Anon for this reply from JH=== That s...LOL Thanks Anon for this reply from JH=== That said, I watch my dogs like a a hawk and they are with me almost all the time so I would certainly spot glaucoma symptoms pretty quickly<br /><br />Yes but ya cannot spot them running towards an electric fence Maybe ya would be better practicing what ya are trying to preach and test yar dogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-49390245549940870542012-03-12T17:03:14.807+00:002012-03-12T17:03:14.807+00:00Permission only needs to be sought if the person p...Permission only needs to be sought if the person posting the photos was not actually the photographer.<br /><br />If, however, the blog owner is not the photographer they they could find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05787252648629639099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58638749214564917362012-03-12T14:27:24.322+00:002012-03-12T14:27:24.322+00:00Anon 08:00 of the inimitable writing style (yes, y...Anon 08:00 of the inimitable writing style (yes, you do identify yourself with your writing style, which, I have to say is up to your usual standard, as are your reading comprehension skills and logical sharpness):<br /><br />While the vast majority are honourable professionals, there will always be an accommodating vet to be found. It must be true – I heard it from a breeder and its on record for you to check it out for yourself. I refer you to the comments made by that charming Rhodesian ridgeback breeder in PDE regarding finding a vet to kill her perfectly healthy ridgeless puppies. <br /><br />Now, don’t you think that if a breeder can find a vet who will understandingly kill her puppies because they don’t meet a breed standard, a breeder could also find a vet who would view conformation required health problems with a sympathetic eye?<br /><br />By the way, I wasn't aware that 'processionals' could be certified and give health checks - the last time I came across one was in church. You learn something new every day.Sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-26647385040069490092012-03-12T14:04:21.013+00:002012-03-12T14:04:21.013+00:00How very very sad that people continue to argue an...How very very sad that people continue to argue and defend the disgusting mutilation of dogs. Shame on you for questioning anything that will only improve animal welfare. <br /><br />I don't even pretend to know what I'm looking at in a 'pedigree' dog as I've only ever adopted mutts BUT even I can see these animals are an abomination and things need to change. <br /><br />All for the glory of a little red ribbon and a shiney cup??? Very very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-84341050884513982922012-03-12T13:07:43.876+00:002012-03-12T13:07:43.876+00:00Do you know this lady does not test her own show d...Do you know this lady does not test her own show dogs eyes??? With regards to this someone i know of must have seen this and put this to her in email:> Considering that it is reccommened by the AGPAW and the breed clubs ALL Flatcoats especially those older ones MUST be health tested for GLAUCOMA why have you not had Massie tested? As we all know this is an eye disease which will cause blindness. There is a very simple and inexpensive test run by the KC/BVA for all those who love the breed to have their dogs tested for this dreadful condition, this is whether they are show dogs or pets. I find it incongruent that you can at once attack others for not taking health seriously when you have not done so yourself. THE REPLY Thank you for your concern about Maisie.<br />As I am sure you know the Gonioscopy test reveals merely if your dog has a predisposition to glaucoma, not if they have it. It is a useful indicator, then, of how carefully you may have to watch for signs of glaucoma, but there's nothing you can do - no pre-emptive action you can take to stop it developing. With or without the test, all you can do is watch, wait, hope that it doesn't manifest, but be prepared to take swift action should they suddenly show any signs. <br />I would have tested Maisie if I had ever bred from her, but I have not (and she is spayed). Both Maisie's parents and all four grandparents have been tested and are clear. I think she is pretty safe. That said, I watch my dogs like a a hawk and they are with me almost all the time so I would certainly spot glaucoma symptoms pretty quickly. In fact, I suffer from (secondary) glaucoma myself so am more than aware of what a horrible and painful condition it can be. BUT THIS LADY DOES NOT TEST HERSELF WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-70313366271373795912012-03-12T08:13:29.438+00:002012-03-12T08:13:29.438+00:00@Anon--Since when did scientifically proven studie...@Anon--Since when did scientifically proven studies of canine genetic health (or the lack of it)and the subsequent welfare issues being inflicted on man's best friend equate to AR<br />Can Jemima or yourself point me in the direction of the scientific study re the Chinese Crested regarding shavingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-19444333447182418602012-03-12T03:49:29.136+00:002012-03-12T03:49:29.136+00:00Sometimes little wrongs reflect big wrongs, and th...Sometimes little wrongs reflect big wrongs, and things can escalate, at least from the perspective of the people who suffer from the wrong. The Nazis that took away those other people thought they were doing something good, and eventually things deteriorated all the way to genocide. Well-meaning people could bring about the end of breeds that have lasted for hundreds of years. It.a like the American soldier in Vietnam who said, "We had to destroy the village in order to save it". Each of these breeds have people who love it, but vilification by the self-righteous could put an end to a breed by blackening its reputation to potential future owners. The cited animals were not suffering from hideous afflictions; the Mastiff owner was told by the vet who failed it that there was no need to visit her own vet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-43583371262263377262012-03-12T03:00:36.786+00:002012-03-12T03:00:36.786+00:00with all due respect to vets???? really you are tr...with all due respect to vets???? really you are trashing vets trust YOU.. I think not you ask that we accept the vets opinion at the show.. but then say the public should be the judge of anything else,... including dogs who have passed health checks by =certified processionals.. trust you? LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-87870509323574673112012-03-12T02:57:33.886+00:002012-03-12T02:57:33.886+00:00well you are correct .. Nazis would never stand fo...well you are correct .. Nazis would never stand for even a minor health fault and would have had those dogs "suffering" from it' killed.. maybe that is the "final solution' the AR's here are looking for.. There can be "no faults allowed" as some one here said <br />"health is absolute".. what ever that means.. if you apply that to people none would pass. .. to dogs.. few..but to Nazis who want only perfection.. sure why not..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com