tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post5843229534815957759..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: The grim reality of Bulldog sexJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-88552912413974653942013-06-08T11:31:17.531+01:002013-06-08T11:31:17.531+01:00The world has really gotten crazy!
Are these peopl...The world has really gotten crazy!<br />Are these people so blind that they can't see how wrong this is?<br />Kayahttp://www.titanica-art.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-89968777236661802082012-11-06T12:38:17.704+00:002012-11-06T12:38:17.704+00:00'Mating' is a synonym of 'sex' whi...'Mating' is a synonym of 'sex' which is, by definition, the act of sexual intercourse, which is what dogs do. whether the owners have decided upon it or not it's still 'sex'. When they are 'mating' it is synonymous to 'having sex'. <br />Any connotations of 'marriage', 'wooing' or 'lewdness' are not to be derived from the word 'sex' but from your own apparent associations with the word 'sex'. <br />Granted, if saying that what your dogs are doing is 'mating' makes you feel more secure than the idea of them 'having sex' then that's a fine personal preference you've got there, but it's just that- a personal preference of terminology- and can't really be brought to bare as a criticism of this article, as both terms are acceptable for what is occurring in the images and what is being addressed in this article. Emmeline Reviews https://www.blogger.com/profile/06605092720422544944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-54341267307181493022012-10-18T11:20:43.830+01:002012-10-18T11:20:43.830+01:00So we accreditted breeders aren't 'good br...So we accreditted breeders aren't 'good breeders' or easy to find Fran? <br /><br />Wish I could go to a similar body for my prospective puppy owners would save me a whole lot of heartache. Many 'practice' gaining skills via other breeds and breeders, they get rejected over and over again each time learning the 'right' answer to our grilling. Rarely do other breeders get to know about them or who they are as they've learned to swap breeds as too often they were given a blanket ban via breeders who'd experienced their 'lession'<br /><br />Everytime I consider not walking away from my lifelong hobby, all my health testing, coi calcuations, history gathering of various dogs and their progeny for temp, trainability, conformation etc - I just come back here and read!!!!!! Ah yes reality check Jenny it just ain't worth the heartache - DAC recommendations had no bearing on reality what a farce you will end up with battery hen style breeding establishments to comply with many of their requirements. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-53864990159590269512012-10-16T16:20:36.492+01:002012-10-16T16:20:36.492+01:00I agree that BYB are a serious problem. However, i...I agree that BYB are a serious problem. However, if the KC can't provide the general public with a trusted source of breeders - those who breed for health, temperament, low COIs and genetic diversity, then this leaves people not knowing where to turn. You have to really search for good breeders within your chosen breed - that just makes finding one too hard. Until finding good breeders is as easy as going on Gumtree, Preloved or FB, many people will continue to get their puppies off there. <br /><br />Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-70421916637039755762012-10-15T00:03:25.462+01:002012-10-15T00:03:25.462+01:00Not that I will ever get a reply to this. But you ...Not that I will ever get a reply to this. But you should target Back Yard Breeders, I have seen no end of dogs advertised for breeding on sites such as facebook, gumtree and preloved. I can print screen the amount of animals who are not regestered to any organisation, not health tested, many crossbreds (nothing against them but health test them) no initial checks or research being done...those people really need to be targeted as well! Please do an article on that!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-7254197456329441742012-10-12T19:17:50.821+01:002012-10-12T19:17:50.821+01:00This just looks pathetic no matter what. Why would...This just looks pathetic no matter what. Why would anyone want to perpetuate the creation of animal so grossly misshapen and unhealthy? Hardly seems fair. This must be how Honey Boo Boo's mom was impregnated with her..her being HBB!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-39260917854615703902012-10-07T11:44:50.153+01:002012-10-07T11:44:50.153+01:00The poor bitch looks like she's been knocked o...The poor bitch looks like she's been knocked out! <br /><br />River14, what a very depressing outlook that "breeder" has on his breed. It's no wonder so many dogs are in such dire straits when they have people like that representing them. I'm afraid for a select few breeders, the breed standard must be adhered to at any cost!<br /><br />LouiseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-67406204490850160512012-10-06T21:20:56.739+01:002012-10-06T21:20:56.739+01:00Some problems show up later in life that are hered...Some problems show up later in life that are hereditary but don't have a specific health test for. So the stud may not show signs of having it, but in a few years it's going to be there.<br /> <br />That's how PRA got started in Vizslas in the US. It was late onset, the sire got it at the age of 7? and already had a few litters. They tried to submit for genetic study, but were told the sample size was too small so they had to create more dogs before they could submit (hah). Now there's a genetic test, but there wasn't then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-44610232357526785612012-10-04T21:55:14.080+01:002012-10-04T21:55:14.080+01:00Fran
I thought similar things to you about the AB...Fran<br /><br />I thought similar things to you about the ABS but I have totaly changed my mind having seen some poor breeders thrown off. I had a long conversation with Bill Lambert of the KC who exp[lained some of the things they have done and some of the chsnmges that they have planned for the new year. Its quite exciting<br /><br />CarolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-87252143848596227532012-10-03T08:36:36.110+01:002012-10-03T08:36:36.110+01:00I agree, although in this case, the pet owners are...I agree, although in this case, the pet owners are certainly to blame. I'd be interested to know how many potential owners understand how health compromised their chosen breed is, but still go ahead and get a puppy anyway! <br /><br />There does need to be an established way for pet owners to find a reputable breeder who genuinely cares about the health, welfare and genetic diversity of his/her breed. The ABS would have been perfect, if it wasn't such a farce and become a way for puppy farmers to sell their stock. As there isn't anything in place at the moment, many pet owners will still end-up choosing the wrong breeder. Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-59839044730532393402012-10-02T12:22:19.816+01:002012-10-02T12:22:19.816+01:00Bravo for those dogs getting so far as to be on to...Bravo for those dogs getting so far as to be on top of each other. I have been delving recently into everything "French" bulldog and I can tell you natural mating for that breed is completely out of the picture. The female sexual organs are in completely the wrong place making any attempt by the male to inseminate so frustratingly difficult (lets say a few botched attempts) as to make the male suffer heat stroke a potentially lethal condition that can lead to brain damage and death. So its lose lose on both sides.<br /><br />I visited a dog show in Thailand full of French bulldogs and visited a few kennels. I was shocked to learn that all these dogs are artificially inseminated and then give birth by caesarian section. Unfortunately any tiny good practise or breeding attempts reached in Europe/UK have not reached these distant exotic shores and dogs are suffering 100% as of old. Bad enough that a bitch gets to have a litter every year its also a caesarian section every year. Im also told its common for many puppies to be dead, still born just a tiny % are actually alive. <br /><br />One of the top breeders in Asia with mostly American lines lost a dog because it got its toe stuck in the wire mesh flooring of its "cage". Lot to be said for not treating dogs like chickens and chickens like chickens. What happened was the dog got its toe stuck went into panic and dropped dead of heat stroke. The room where this awful thing happened was fully aircon and blasted by about seven industrial sized fans. <br /><br />There are many and I mean many horror stories to be told about French bulldogs but the worst I heard and again from supposedly the top breeder in Asia was that yes the dogs are riddled with problems especially his American lines, (he didn't agree with the Europeans trying to tamper with the breed) too extreme in all dimensions, but this didn't matter too much as "his clients were rich and can happily afford the vet bills". Yes he also charges extreme prices for these off-casts from the show world. One puppy I saw had such tight nasal passages it couldn't breath through them, this he confidently explained to me would not do in the show ring at all but would make an excellent "pet" home. <br /><br />So I suppose your new puppy in the home gagging and turning blue then dropping dead is just fine as long as it doesn't happen in the show ring?<br /><br />I find this extraordinary that a show dog must be healthy and all is done to make sure of that at Cruft for example but a "pet" dog the outcasts the throw away results of horrific breeding are fine for the general public and happy domestic set ups???<br /><br />All puppies with obvious and less obvious potentially lethal, harmful defects or just plain runts and frankensteins are considered 'pet" quality by breeders. I don't call that quality of any kind I find that disgusting. And I know for a fact it happens not just in Thailand but all over the globe in the sordid world of dog breeding and showing.<br /><br />So out of a "beutifull" litter of already deformed pedigree dogs the rejects are pet quality. This is completely insane, a toy and/or group 9 dog has as its main function apparently a companion and pet and not an invalide and heart breaker!!!!!<br /><br />Freaky world we live in.river14https://www.blogger.com/profile/03587939183736973068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-41452634277683847932012-10-02T12:03:06.426+01:002012-10-02T12:03:06.426+01:00According to the law in the UK the staffy is NOT a...According to the law in the UK the staffy is NOT a pit bull. The Pit Bull banned in the UK is the breed Pit Bull Terrier, otherwise it would be illegal to own a Staffy which it is not. <br />However, by mixing Staffs with larger breeds a dog which looks like a Pit Bull often results. These are not illegal dogs, but may suffer prejudice under our current law because they look like one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-72407722285855400232012-09-26T21:51:09.741+01:002012-09-26T21:51:09.741+01:00Nice if your bitch's nose will warn you of a s...Nice if your bitch's nose will warn you of a stud's dodgy genes, but aren't health tests more reliable?Bob Grundynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-82638364710648697342012-09-25T23:38:00.447+01:002012-09-25T23:38:00.447+01:00"We don't really have many pitbulls in th..."We don't really have many pitbulls in the UK. We have plenty of staffies though, though I appreciate it's a gradation of type, rather than a fixed taxonomy." <br /><br />A staffordshire terrier is a pit bull... Pit bull is a type of dog, and staffordshires are heavily related to if not the same thing as the APBT if you go by american lines and pedigree. So at least in the US, a "pit bull" is a staffordshire (American or English) or a APBT and any of their close crosses. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-54401017175291145722012-09-25T20:50:24.515+01:002012-09-25T20:50:24.515+01:00Dear Anonymice, sorry to have offended. "Love...Dear Anonymice, sorry to have offended. "Love affair" was intended as a bit of a joke, no more. <br />So if I don´t find the idea of restraint appealing,if I think the bitch or mare should have her say in the matter, and if I think that a stallion or a stud dog should have the wits to try a bit of courtship, and a mare or a bitch should have the tinme to accept the overtures - then I´m off into chic lit world and novels?<br />You haven´t, then, even once in your lifetime had the chance to follow over a couple of days the courting behavior, where the dog proves his worth by agreeable behaviour and the bitch comes into peak season by his efforts? You´ve never seen a stallion adapt his advances to the response of the mare?<br />If not, perhaps you don´t have too much of an idea of what you´re talking about?<br />Bodil Carlssonhttp://collievaenner.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-5216119451259189222012-09-25T08:21:22.007+01:002012-09-25T08:21:22.007+01:00Please please no advocating of Pit Bull/Staffy/Bul...Please please no advocating of Pit Bull/Staffy/Bull breed crosses being bred with anything - rescues are groaning under the weight of these dogs which no-one wants. This is the real tragedy at the moment together with all the sickly puppy farmed pedigree and 'designer' crosses. I fully support all the efforts to make show breeders ensure they're breeding healthy stock, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to what's happening in the real world. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-80634697375588920302012-09-24T19:09:55.721+01:002012-09-24T19:09:55.721+01:00Beth, how would you know which it was? Unwillingne...Beth, how would you know which it was? Unwillingness to mate due to genetic problems, or because the dog smelt of the mailman?Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-91091106209764669182012-09-24T16:52:43.951+01:002012-09-24T16:52:43.951+01:00Jennifer,
A few points:
1. Quantity and quality...Jennifer,<br /><br />A few points:<br /><br />1. Quantity and quality are not the same and do not necessarily have a relationship to each other.<br /><br />2. The articles I listed above were not necessarily the entire body of peer-reviewed published work related to a research project.<br /><br />3. Just because someone has not published recently does not mean he or she has lost the ability to remain current in the field by reading and understanding the research of others.<br /><br />4. Snideness does not equal argument or refutation. <br /><br />Dr Dunbar spent 10 years researching sexual behaviour in dogs as part of a team under Dr F. A. Beach; the study lasted 30 years and included observations on mate selection. Peer-reviewed publications from this study have been cited by other scientists working on canid behaviour, including mate selection. You need to go to an academic database, not Google, to find these publications. Go to a university's website and click 'library'.<br /><br />What sort of qualifications would you like an expert on mate selection to have, if being a qualified veterinarian, being a qualified behaviourist and participating for 10 years in a 30-year research programme that included this very topic is not enough? <br /><br />All the man said in the article I originally referred to was basically that dogs that cannot or will not breed naturally should not be bred from and he backed his opinion up by explaining some pretty bog standard science. I respectfully suggest that most people, including some other pretty eminent scientists, would agree if they have the dog's interests rather than their own agendas at heart.<br />Sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-83074496706517588002012-09-22T16:45:34.670+01:002012-09-22T16:45:34.670+01:00I've just read some of the most recent comment...I've just read some of the most recent comments. I think my final conclusion on the matter is that for breeds where many or most dogs cannot mate naturally due to extreme conformation OR extreme temperament (so dog-aggressive they can't even forget about fighting for long enough to mate, for instance) then yes, there is a serious problem.<br /><br />But do I have a problem with a little human guidance for young or inexperienced dogs or bitches, animals that were raised as "lone dogs" and have not the greatest learned social skills, or a great match where the dogs maybe don't take a huge shine to each other? No, I have no problem with that at all.<br /><br />It's impossible to know why two dogs don't hit it off. It's all well and good to speculate that they smell something wrong, and that may be true. But what if the bitch hates mailmen and the stud dog reeks of the mail because his owner is a postal carrier? I heard a behaviorist relate a story of a dog with seemingly "random" aggression who it turns out had been kicked by an ignorant pizza delivery person, and the dog would start barking and growling whenever someone came to the house smelling of pizza. A little counter-conditioning soon fixed the problem, but the point is dogs have sensitive noses, and may be reacting to something totally unrelated to the actual genetic qualities of the stud dog. If a dog is apprehensive of thunder storms and there are some stormy days when she is in season and it puts her off being in the mood, are you to call off the mating if you traveled 400 miles and waited three generations to make this cross?<br />Bethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-90768898912460434832012-09-22T10:09:01.940+01:002012-09-22T10:09:01.940+01:00My Alaskan Malamute bitch refused the first male w...My Alaskan Malamute bitch refused the first male who courted her. He was experienced and did everything seemingly right, but she growled and snapped at him. It did not cross my mind to tie her up because of this, or force her. They met on multiple days but her attitude did not change. And it was a good thing too.<br /><br />Turns out he passed on multiple hereditary problems including (but not limited to) cataracts and polyneuropathy. It has been suggested that dogs can smell genetic compatibility and after this experience I find it entirely possible.<br /><br />The next male (during her next heat) she reacted to completely differently. They mated naturally twice. She gave birth to 9 puppies, one stillborn, the rest healthy. The labour went very well and she required NO assistance. She took exceptional care of them too.<br /><br />I don't think it's too late to stop assisting the dogs and trust them instead. Some dogs will lack the will or capacity to breed naturally; they should not be bred. This is a fundamentally important part of holistic breeding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-54252082474916400562012-09-21T19:24:40.976+01:002012-09-21T19:24:40.976+01:00oops! You're right, I found a Dunbar with a m...oops! You're right, I found a Dunbar with a much more significant publication record than the Dunbar in question.<br /><br />But that changes nothing. A few reductionist studies, done 30 years ago, on the response of dogs to orders in urine hardly makes someone an expert on mate selection in dog breeding. <br /><br />p.s. is anyone else having trouble with the CAPCHA on this blog. I'm beginning to think I may be a robot!Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389321571689128858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36152882310920689482012-09-21T19:09:28.532+01:002012-09-21T19:09:28.532+01:00Ok, I didn't go through the whole list of earl...Ok, I didn't go through the whole list of early publications. I still don't see how reductionist work on response to pheromones in urine -- done 30 years ago -- makes someone an expert on the importance, or lack thereof, of correct courtship rituals in the mating aspect of breeding dogs. No question, Dunbar is bright and writes well, and I often agree with what he writes. But he rests on his laurels in this case. Behavioural biology is not physics. There are no fundamental laws to fall back on. If anyone, Nobel lauriates included, wants to assert that behaviour of a dog or bitch in an 'arranged' mating, is a significant predictor of tempermental or other qualities of the litter, I want to see evidence. It's a complex system. You can't predict outcomes based on your gut feeling or ideology. No way I'll reject a young dog who comes out top of the line by health and performance indicators, but is a bit shy on mounting a bitch and needs guidance and encouragement from a handler. Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389321571689128858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-37322878112671764442012-09-21T14:19:48.045+01:002012-09-21T14:19:48.045+01:00Dunbar's has a formidable scientific publicati...Dunbar's has a formidable scientific publication record (you can find it by Googling). Most of it deals with social behavior and the primate brain. He is a leading advocate of Learning Theory (which, though very popular among educated dog owners, is still a theory. Many widely accepted social / psychological / behavioural theories have turned out to be off-target. I, personally, wouldn't be surprised to see Learning Theory go the same way as Dr. Benjamin Spock's theories on child rearing). Dunbar has few, if any, scientific publications on canids: nothing that I can find on mating behaviour of domesticated dogs. Unless substantiated by observational data, I see no reason to take his opinions on dog mating more seriously than the opinions of experienced dog breeders. <br /><br />The 'blind date' where a bitch is taken to a stud dog is no better test of the dog's social skills than ability to pick up a woman in a bar is an indicator of a man's ability to be a good father. It's hard to see how a dog's courtship behaviour in 'blind date' mating is predictive of anything. Sure, if a dog or bitch is normally aggressive, and that aggression carries over into mating behaviour, the odds are weighted in favor of getting aggressive pups. But where mating behavior is at odds with temperament observed in day to day living, there's little basis for saying it predicts anything.<br /><br /><br />Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389321571689128858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-85624787988274881912012-09-20T23:18:30.874+01:002012-09-20T23:18:30.874+01:00Anonymous 12:48
Ian Dunbar’s DogStar Daily websit...Anonymous 12:48<br /><br />Ian Dunbar’s DogStar Daily website is written for Joe Public, who often has little or no background in science. It is not written for scientists, hence the non-academic language. <br /><br />Dr Dunbar has participated in scientific studies and has had his work published in peer-reviewed, science-based academic journals. His work is cited by other researchers whose work is published in peer-reviewed, science-based academic journals.<br /><br />If you actually read what Dr Dunbar writes, you will see that he is not against breeding pure-bred dogs. He does not condemn all breeders of purebred dogs. He criticizes poor practice. The difference is not a subtle one and inability to understand it is a result of faulty logic on the part of the reader, not the writer.<br />Sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-41567959337568034452012-09-20T13:23:21.767+01:002012-09-20T13:23:21.767+01:00Dr Dunbar says that unassisted mating is a test of...Dr Dunbar says that unassisted mating is a test of temperament: dogs that fail have suspect temperaments and should not be bred. Instinctively I agree, but where is the science? Put it another way, how much assistance should we give before accepting nature's verdict?<br />We once took our bitch to the Netherlands for mating. She had all the right instincts, her beau was experienced, their courtship a joy to watch - she running away, all the while looking over her shoulder to make sure he was keeping up; you could almost hear violins playing in the trees. After 3 days we headed home, and on confirming her condition to his owner heard that he had moped afterwards, off his food. But as with humans, mating is not always love's young dream; then practical considerations arise. If she had crossed her legs, or he turned up his nose, would we have just gone off to look at windmills the rest of the trip? I don't think so, not without applying some persuasion first.<br />Dog breeders are rather like Asian parents, arranging marriages for their kids. To us in the west our way is instinctively better, though divorce stats say otherwise. It is nice that Dr Dunbar's gut feeling agrees with mine, that if dogs opt out there's probably a good reason, but I'm an old nerd who likes confirmation by facts and figures.Bob Grundynoreply@blogger.com