tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post476793260426486829..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Petition to change breed standards - please sign itJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-87658394254235202262012-07-18T15:13:32.523+01:002012-07-18T15:13:32.523+01:00why is there always a standard? cant we just treat...why is there always a standard? cant we just treat them properly? this is just messed upCherry Rodriguezhttp://www.i-love-my-labrador.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-41392281449658202842012-06-16T08:26:11.699+01:002012-06-16T08:26:11.699+01:00Then don't be a snob, and pick a corgi mix! - ...Then don't be a snob, and pick a corgi mix! - there's quite a few in LA shelters - not sure where you are but not one in FIVE years? come on now, where were you looking? your backyard?luxury watch loverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894164081249179000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-60205490538886479782012-06-16T08:22:53.906+01:002012-06-16T08:22:53.906+01:00Irish Wolfhounds may be the TALLEST, but English M...Irish Wolfhounds may be the TALLEST, but English Mastiffs are WAY bigger overall.luxury watch loverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894164081249179000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-14748587960391372762012-06-14T11:23:49.083+01:002012-06-14T11:23:49.083+01:00Yes once again the RSPCA miss the main point. You ...Yes once again the RSPCA miss the main point. You can pressure the easy target of the show breeders but fail to somehow grasp the fact that the majority of puppies of the most popular breeds come from people who only have the vaguest idea of a breed standard and just use the nearest and cheapest dogs. And this petition [which will be signed in droves by the 'all pedigree dogs are inbred freaks' brigade] will achieve no more than to add to the huge rift that there has been between pedigree dog breeders and the RSPCA from the time Gavin Grant was last in chance. Support your small local dog charities and breed rescue!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-62743399705613040622012-06-13T15:43:57.570+01:002012-06-13T15:43:57.570+01:00@dalriach..''income falls''
Do you...@dalriach..''income falls''<br />Do you know how much central funding have in the bank and in properties? The interest alone could funds centres ..they choose not to ...they have chosen to take the political pathway ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-43676956796051664402012-06-13T11:55:42.229+01:002012-06-13T11:55:42.229+01:00Jemima says "For all the RSPCA's faults (...Jemima says "For all the RSPCA's faults (and I am not blind to them)" so why not endulge us all and show you arnt just a mouth piece for the RSPCA and lista one or two (or more ) of what you disagree with the RSPCA on after all you say you arnt blind to them but happy to be dumb silence on them instead?!? inthe repsonces here you you giove many excuses for their behaviour, actions and "logical" and "facts" but never challenge them, odd for a journalst who claims to seek the truth for dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-56813558201734844272012-06-13T10:21:51.010+01:002012-06-13T10:21:51.010+01:00Unless it is in very very small print I cannot see...Unless it is in very very small print I cannot see the source for the claims made in this poster, where it claims % surely it must be a legal requirementto quote such sources (even hair and make up adverts who make claims of support have t o quote sources and how many peopel they asked), is this isnt given I ewould of thought this was misleadingand not allowed under law, perhaps Jemmima or the RSPCA will clarify this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-30772351597317062342012-06-13T09:55:40.862+01:002012-06-13T09:55:40.862+01:00I would agree with the suggestion that if one is n...I would agree with the suggestion that if one is not happy with the way national organisations like the RSPCA are run, then dont support them but continue to support the local rescues and the local branches of the RSPCA. I dont like seeing the way the RSPCA as a whole is being attacked and the campaign to stop people donating to them. It is going to be a disaster for animal welfare in England if the RSPCA income continues to fall because of the hate campaign against them, and they have to cut back on front line services, while the number of abandoned animals and cases of cruelty and neglect continues to rise. Who is going to pick up on the shortfall? The local branches of the RSPCA still provide a good service, and there is no reason why people should not go on supporting them. I'm glad I live in Scotland where the SSPCA still enjoy a high level of support and get little criticism. But the SSPCA focus on spending their funds on a direct service to animals, the staff who deal with complaints of cruelty and neglect and the excellent rescue and rehoming centres which they run.dalriachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-33281937416665641132012-06-13T01:51:40.969+01:002012-06-13T01:51:40.969+01:00I haft to second dalriach. Personally I think dogs...I haft to second dalriach. Personally I think dogs would be in a much better state if health checks were mandatory and breeders turned away from inbreeding. There would be less health problems and less illnesses. Breeders should be focused on lowering the rate of the hereditary health problems in pedigree dogs and cats. Dogs that have a huge amount of exaggeration, such as the neo mastiff and basset hound; should be revised with less exaggeration. Basset hound breeders are beginning to revise the breed standards. UKC has just now released a revised breed standard of the bulldog. Now the bulldog has a short muzzle instead a flat one.<br />-http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/EnglishBullDogRevisedJune12012<br />I prefer to donate to local rescues instead of big corporate ones. Such as RSPCA and others. Vast majority of the money is never donated to the charity. Which is a sad truth. Local rescues need our help the most. Millions of dogs are euthanized due to the puppy mill industry and dogs with poor temperament problems. <br />And Jemima I urge you to watch on HBO "One Nation Under Dog" an American documentary about our obsession with dogs. Not a happy documentary either.<br />-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSMRfHwa5kE<br />Last - Beth said "Here in the States what started out as a well-meaning push to get more people to consider adopting dogs from shelters has turned into, in many cases, an attitude that breeding dogs and buying purebreds is morally inferior to rescuing." She pretty much nailed that. I think when people rescue a dog. It should be about the love for the dog and cat. Not having the mentality about "we should end breeding".<br />This poster highlights the issues. But I think it is somewhat.. very flat. and a bit bias.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-63287315063720398012012-06-13T01:29:26.508+01:002012-06-13T01:29:26.508+01:00Over the years many of the breed standards in the ...Over the years many of the breed standards in the UK have been overseen in thier redrafting by many different vets indeed the major change in the 1970's were chaired by a former President of the BVA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-74487293262893574402012-06-12T23:40:32.622+01:002012-06-12T23:40:32.622+01:00Seems they have no trouble selling their so called...Seems they have no trouble selling their so called standard bred pedigree dogs for more money than their mutts. Its about time they seen to their own house first and foremostAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-37957170063665619922012-06-12T19:56:28.512+01:002012-06-12T19:56:28.512+01:00It is nearly impossible to be a small animal vet w...It is nearly impossible to be a small animal vet without ever having read a standard. However, it should be pointed out that the people who wrote these standards were not exactly up-to-date on veterinary science back when these things were first written in the second half of the 19th century, and the passage of time since then has not exactly improved the disparity between some standards and even the most basic requirements of health.<br /><br />Of course, one should also point out that the problem not only lies in the standard, but also in its interpretation. For example, Bassets have been bred to a standard for a long time, yet today's horrible exaggerations in excessive eyelid and skin folds have only been around for the past few decades. Clearly, this is not a problem that can be attributed to the standard, but rather to its interpretation. <br /><br />Given that the present breeders and judges of some breeds are evidently not qualified to interpret the standard in a way that leads to a non-exaggerated dog, more explicit prohibitions about such exaggerations should be added and enforced in the show ring. Of course, these should be written by people who actually have knowledge of canine anatomy and how it affects health, i.e. by veterinarians.<br /><br />As for the proof that certain physical features lead to a high risk of certain associated diseases, OFA, CERF and other statistics paint a rather obvious picture. Such data are inherently more useful than purely theoretical considerations about "functionality", which in the affected breeds have no base in actual proven functionality of show dogs. Theoretical constructs of how anatomical details affect functionality are just that: Constructs without the slightest empirical base, perpetuated by a Cargo Cult following where everybody repeats what everybody else says without ever bothering to verify how much of it can actually be verified based on empirical data.<br /><br />While I will not call the gradual dying out of a certain segment of the breeder population lucky, it is certainy revealing that the person's emphasis in their argument is about their own ability to have such dogs rather than about the well-being of these dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-28879452296186646302012-06-12T17:22:51.636+01:002012-06-12T17:22:51.636+01:00Ok, I wanted to clarify what I meant by slippery s...Ok, I wanted to clarify what I meant by slippery slope. Here in the States what started out as a well-meaning push to get more people to consider adopting dogs from shelters has turned into, in many cases, an attitude that breeding dogs and buying purebreds is morally inferior to rescuing. Good breeders are lumped in with puppy mills. Despite the fact that in 5 years of searching I have never seen a single Corgi (not one!) in a local shelter, there is somehow the impression that responsible breeders are responsible for the unwanted pet problem. The fact that the huge majority of dogs in shelters are unplanned mutts, many of them pit-mixes, does not dissuade anyone.<br /><br />So we have a seemingly well-meaning push from RSPCA to moderate exaggerations. Ok, fine, but the push is just as vague as the breed standards that allowed the problem to start to begin with. Who defines what is too much exaggeration? I have seen many posters here throw out Corgis as an example of a ruined breed who can no longer run, and whenever I can't even keep up with my happy, health Corgi in agility I laugh and then get angry because to many people, they look at a dog and think they know how it must live every day. I've seen several very healthy long-lived breeds with few problems lumped into the "exaggerated" group.<br /><br />So sure, do an outreach campaign. But make it specific. Focus on what specific problems very certain traits cause, how slight changes would fix those problems while still leaving a dog typey enough for everyone to recognize as the breed. But to fix a problem caused by vagueness with more vagueness? It might create a worse problem than we started with.Bethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-7264778446822755812012-06-12T13:45:52.804+01:002012-06-12T13:45:52.804+01:00May and Can, are the words use in the above poster...May and Can, are the words use in the above poster, but no where do they use the word Do and Have. Thery have no actual proof to back up their ideas, just one glance at the latest KCBRS would disproved their claim of Bulldogs born by CS. I think the RSPCA should think againon this before taken to Ofcom for misleading the public.................. againAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-34027053207308093392012-06-12T11:39:17.873+01:002012-06-12T11:39:17.873+01:00You can find the sources easily with a google sear...You can find the sources easily with a google search.<br /><br />Kapatkin AS, Fordyce HH, Mayhew PD, Smith GK. Canine Hip Dysplasia: The Disease and Its Diagnosis. Compendium Cont Ed 2002, 24(7): 526-538 <br />http://cp.vetlearn.com/Media/PublicationsArticle/PV_24_07_526.pdf<br /><br />Erin R. Paster, Elizabeth LaFond, Darryl N. Biery, Alisa Iriye, Thomas P. Gregor, Frances S. Shofer, and Gail K. Smith. <br />Estimates of prevalence of hip dysplasia in Golden Retrievers and Rottweilers and the influence of bias on published prevalence figures.<br />Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, February 1, 2005<br />http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2005.226.387Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-47455806106724662182012-06-12T11:04:46.113+01:002012-06-12T11:04:46.113+01:00Is there any proof the RSPCA chief vet has ever re...Is there any proof the RSPCA chief vet has ever read any standards? Or not read them?<br /><br />Could you please tell me what is wrong with "a lozenge shaped" eye? Those standards weren't written in a moment by someone high as a kite, or full of claret and good humour they were carefully thought out, and once you know why some conformation item is called for, you have some idea why it is required to be so. The standards were written so the dog could best do the job he was designed for, and yep, the job may no longer be there, but the nature and conformation is.<br /><br />If you change a "lozenge shaped eye" you may get a lot of other problems.<br /><br />I think you and your ilk should be forced to produce proof that a large % of any breed, when bred to the standard, are actually suffering, and that they will suffer less after you have had your way.<br /><br />There is no proof, only someone's opinion. And many of those "someones" are not qualified to have an opinion.<br /><br />Luckily I'll be dead before the disasters of this plan are revealed. And once they are revealed, it will be too late. <br /><br />You can forget your flat coat retreivers, they wont be around any longer, they will be a vague "black dog", and just one of the endogenous mutts which people will be forced to have. One size doesn't fit all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36671738060533155492012-06-12T10:56:40.081+01:002012-06-12T10:56:40.081+01:00I think you have abit of a cop out on this one no...I think you have abit of a cop out on this one no breed standard is longer than 1 A4 piece of of paper so the TEAM of vets they have could not read 6 of them a day............ As for the RSPCA being liabled strange he dont worry when he liable the breeders of pedigree dogs, but then again you didnt bother either, what about the owners of the shar pei ? you lied about ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-65823198668165535492012-06-12T03:05:01.367+01:002012-06-12T03:05:01.367+01:00Folks, we would use our name but can't deal wi...Folks, we would use our name but can't deal with the URL requirement so here goes. Here's the reason NOT to sign the petition. There is a really significant and ongoing push to convince the public that all dogs are a bad thing, full stop. "Pure breds all have genetic faults", "pet shop puppies all come from puppy farms", "pound puppies have behavioural baggage" - none are true but the cacophany and politics are translating to a clear message to consumers - DOGS ARE BAD. In Australia there is now clear evidence that dog ownership is dropping, and fast (and even faster on a population corrected basis). Euthanasia hasn't dropped though. FAIL on all counts. Getting "behind" the RSPCA push enhances this broader message, so that's the real reason not to go there. WHAT IS NEEDED is NOT more politics designed to engender donations, but getting the protagonists into a room with a Minister with the clear message that breed standards will change unless...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-40146181575188501132012-06-12T02:59:02.115+01:002012-06-12T02:59:02.115+01:00Interesting, but PLEASE give sources. Not just th...Interesting, but PLEASE give sources. Not just the article title, also the authors, and where it was published . . . or a web link.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389321571689128858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-59414085066175493272012-06-12T00:44:31.435+01:002012-06-12T00:44:31.435+01:00And thank you for your replies, Anon, but I've...And thank you for your replies, Anon, but I've had to delete them for the libelous content. You are welcome to try again, keeping it factual. <br /><br />In the mentime, I can say that Anon couldn't provide evidence that the RSPCA's Chief Vet had not read the revised breed standards before commenting on them. He did, however, say in this report that the RSPCA had not had a chance to look at the breed standard changes in detail:<br /><br />http://www.dogworld.co.uk/product.php/51779/News/4-crufts<br /><br />This article was published just 11 days after the KC announced the changes to over 70 breed standards. I think it was reasonable that at the time the RSPCA had not had a chance to look at every single one in detail.<br /><br />JemimaJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-20654959895165168322012-06-12T00:12:04.167+01:002012-06-12T00:12:04.167+01:00There is a 0.4% difference between the two breeds....There is a 0.4% difference between the two breeds. It hardly indicates anything. Besides, OFA stats known to be unreliable because of its self-selection bias.<br /><br />"The true prevalence of CHD by breed in the general population is unknown. Most hip registries worldwide permit voluntary submission of hip radiographs. Understandably, this practice encourages prescreening of films such that only the best (most normal-looking) films get submitted for evaluation. The resulting bias in the registry understates the true prevalence of CHD within breeds of pedigreed dogs. Data suggest that this bias is large and breed dependent. A random sampling of subjectively scored hip radiographs from 200 golden retrievers and 132 rottweilers showed the prevalence of CHD to be 74% and 69%, respectively. These figures are 2 to 3 times higher than comparable figures reported in the United States by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA)." - Canine Hip Dysplasia: The Disease and Its Diagnosis<br /><br />The study quoted from(Estimates of prevalence of hip dysplasia in Golden Retrievers and Rottweilers and the influence of bias on published prevalence figures) indicates that X-rays that show no HD are 8 times more likely to be submitted to OFA than X-rays that show HD.<br /><br />It could simply be the case that Great Danes have higher HD rates than Cavaliers but that Great Danes breeders and owners are less likely than Cavaliers breeders and owners to submit bad results. (Even if everyone submits their scan results, it still won't be representative since, hip tests are not compulsory and also subject to self-selection.)<br />Or it could be the case that the founding Cavalier population just have bad hips or the founding Great Dane population good hips.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1827833376051009432012-06-11T23:02:16.734+01:002012-06-11T23:02:16.734+01:00Another interesting comparison:
Flat-Coated Retri...Another interesting comparison:<br /><br />Flat-Coated Retriever - 4.2% dysplastic<br />Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever - 6.4%<br />Labrador Retriever - 11.8%<br />Curly-Coated Retriever - 15.3%<br />Golden Retriever - 19.7%<br />Chesapeake Bay Retriever - 20.6%<br /><br />Or how about:<br /><br />Irish Red and White Setter - 4.1%<br />Irish Setter - 12.0%<br />English Setter - 16.1%<br />Gordon Setter - 19.3%<br /><br />Intriguing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-91144867052240006672012-06-11T22:38:54.114+01:002012-06-11T22:38:54.114+01:00Does the RSPCA seriously think that if they were s...Does the RSPCA seriously think that if they were sucessful with this petition and breed standards were changed in some respects, that the general health of pugs, bulldogs etc would improve?!<br /> Forcing the show ring world (especially in this manner-I agree with your concerns Jemima) to capitulate and breed dogs with longer muzzles for example, will not make any significant difference to the majority of dogs that are bred and destined never to see the show ring. Only a tiny minority of puppies registered by the KC are ever shown and in many breeds, especially the very popular ones, those that are registered by the KC represent only a fraction of the population of that breed. There is no requirement for anyone breeding dogs of a particular breed to attempt to produce dogs that conform to the standard. To be frank, some dogs/breeds that are shown and win bear little relation to their 'blueprint', which really is one reason why exaggerations have been allowed to proliferate. Many breeders that register puppies with the KC have no intention of showing them or any connection with the show ring and will probably never have read the relevent breed standard!<br /><br />The RSPCA labours under the impression that forcing changes upon the show world will result in a positive knock on effect lower down the 'chain' of dog breeders. I know puppy farmers try very hard to ensure their dogs conform as closely as possible to the ones they see winning in the show ring (!).<br /><br />This could (if it succeeds) lead to an unfortunate side effect when people who want a flat faced pug for example, are no longer able to purchase one from a responsible show breeder so instead turn to those advertised in the free ads or on the web as having 'really flat faces.' The demand for show bred dogs, where breeders have ensured the relevant health tests have been done and the puppies reared to the highest of standards, will fall dramatically. However, if there are still puppies available from 'other sources' with the attribtes that owners are looking for then sales of these will soar as BYB, puppy farmers and even one off pet breeders take advantage. The evidence for this happening exists as without looking very hard it is possible to find adverts for 'very wrinkly' puppies of various breeds, when breed standards and emphasis in the show ring has moved away from this. It is unusual for show breeders to advertise 'chunky' labrador puppies, yet this term is frequently used as a selling point by other types of breeder and it works because that is the sort of puppy that appeals to and is being bought by the public. <br /><br />If this campaign is also intended to change buying habits then again I really can't see it succeeding because it won't reach those who most need educating. Undeniably in many of the so called High Profile Breeds, progress has been made to move away from the 'more is better' mindset - because breeders care enough about their breed and their dogs to make the changes. Significantly they are also a part of a wider community where information is shared and peer pressure counts. The same cannot be said of many puppy buyers who frequently do not do any research or have even a basic knowledge level. Celebrity culture I'm afraid has a far greater influence than the trivial happenings of the show ring.<br /><br />The problem really lies in the fact that the subtleties of the wording of the breed standard have very little impact in the real world. Because the reputation of show dogs has been so badly damaged it will also be very difficult to suddenly hold them up as a shining example of how breeds should be looking. Perhaps the show world was responsible for opening the Pandora's Box of 'exaggerations' but trying to shut it again like this is quite simply a waste of time.Julianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-9592114475197410872012-06-11T22:28:10.629+01:002012-06-11T22:28:10.629+01:00Then how about a post-hoc explanation of the inter...Then how about a post-hoc explanation of the interesting fact that Cavaliers get more hip dysplasia than Great Danes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-81526228471258940632012-06-11T21:33:52.236+01:002012-06-11T21:33:52.236+01:00That is a powerful graphic, especially the silhoue...That is a powerful graphic, especially the silhouette outlines extending the brachycephalic profiles, but it is still a bit half-baked in concept. Changing certain breed standards is about the 4th or 5th thing down the list. Before that, we need a series of graphics, charts and sound bytes being used to educate people about extreme and unsafe dog exaggerations in general. Showing how the less extreme the particular dog is, the better the chance for a decent quality of life. First, educate people against the extreme examples of any breed. Bull dogs and many other breeds are already exaggerated, but then making them even more so is pure qualzucht.<br /><br />I think all breed standards that have semi-dominant traits written into the standard need to take a look at their standards, because dogs with those kinds of genes or alleles never breed true- there is a statistical average of 25% throwbacks to the original type without the dominant, semi-lethal mutation added in. Double doses of this kind of gene are lethal in utero or at least damaging to the dog- such as congenital deafness and/or blindness. There are several breeds that have this kind of trait as the defining trait of the breed, but they can never breed the throwbacks out of the gene pool, because of the nature of semi-dominant gene itself. Sometimes, the throwbacks are culled at birth though they are perfectly healthy. Rhodesian Ridgebacks are a prime example of this kind of culling being practiced by 100% of the breeders. The ridgeback itself is a semi-dominant trait which causes congenital damage to the spines- This is a situation that needs education and good graphics before demanding changes in breed standards.<br /><br />A great deal of education needs to be done for more breeds that need high rates of caesarians- ie Chihuahuas. I think dogs under 8 pounds or so, should be disqualified from ever breeding. There certainly should be graphics educating people about the German Shepherd show dog as an example of bad hips.<br /><br />Perhaps all breed standards that have exaggerated traits and/or semi-dominant lethal genes as a defining trait of the breed need to change the standard to include the throwbacks (who, after all are an excellent genetic resource, especially in breeds with less than 100 or so founding animals).<br /><br />But perhaps the most important change to any standard would be to add a paragraph about how the breed is exaggerated by nature, or has an exaggerated trait, and any further exaggeration is dangerous to the health and longevity of those individuals. The only changes to any standard should be ones that encourage the health and sustainability of the breed and keep as high a level of heterogeneity as possible without losing the type.<br /><br />A trend toward average-ness for any breed is the healthiest way of maintaining the breed as is.<br /><br />So that graphic is a good idea, but not well executed.<br /><br />I hate the spca, hsus and peta. The former two are bureaucracies that mostly feed themselves and build their own pensions, with only half-hearted attempts to relieve suffering and Peta is just there to make the other two look mainstream- PETA is actually an effort to move all thinking about domestic animals to the far, far, far-out, right. In the US, all three organizations are responsible for the deaths of massive numbers of dogs- with abysmal records of attempts to rehome. Even though they all pretend they are only there to prevent abuse and suffering and need your donations to save pets from misery, less than 1% of the donations go to aid local humane societies.Kate Williamshttp://hairlesschiwawa.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com