tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post4759770633100065973..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Cavaliers - more denial and dissentJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-46427812668430904712011-07-28T05:47:13.370+01:002011-07-28T05:47:13.370+01:00I never heard that someone do MRI scan for dogs..I never heard that someone do MRI scan for dogs..MRI Scanhttp://docturs.com/dd/pg/groups/2517/mri-scan-magnetic-resonance-imaging-scan/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-31378960968254281372011-04-24T08:16:12.735+01:002011-04-24T08:16:12.735+01:00Is there any KC rule preventing the creation of an...Is there any KC rule preventing the creation of another Cavalier Club in the UK (you could call it "CARE" for Cavalier Rescue!) grouping those breeders who do feel concerned by the problem: I'm sure that there are more around than you think, and you've got to start somewhere, and soon if the breed is to survive...Jackie Bearenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-89849088438751479052011-04-23T22:06:21.358+01:002011-04-23T22:06:21.358+01:00For a Breed Club to tackle a health issue they and...For a Breed Club to tackle a health issue they and their members must truly believe that it is a problem. <br /><br />The influential cavalier breeders that run the clubs have not yet accepted the seriousness of the position.<br /> <br />There is so much that could be done including storing the semen of dogs confirmed free of SM and/or MVD before they die, but I'm afraid it won't happen.Margaret Carternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-57073493287337398972011-04-23T16:05:54.372+01:002011-04-23T16:05:54.372+01:00The problem with Syringomyelia is that the disease...The problem with Syringomyelia is that the disease can manifest itself in dogs who have been tested clear, and are older than 7 to 8 years old. This means that testing once for the disease at say 3 to 4 years of age is not sufficient, particularly as the heredity of the disease is still unclear (two unaffected dogs can produce affected puppies). Furthermore, the costs of an IRM are very steep for the breeders. In adition to Syringomyelia, the breed is affected by another nasty problem: mitral valve disease (MVD), which further reduces the available breeding stock having neither of these afflictions. In view of the difficulties mentioned above, and in order to save a thoroughly beleagered but lovely breed, why doesn't the UK Cavalier Club set up a sperm bank, get all the best MVD-free males "collected", and just wait to use the sperm until the stud dog has reached an acceptable age without any major health problems or has passed away from other causes at a normal age? I realise that this wouldn't be a 100% solution unless it were technically possible to store ova or even embryos, but at least it might ensure that one of the two parents of a litter is as sound as possible. If the sperm bank were managed centrally and fuelled by voluntary donations, it would probably also be much cheaper than multiple IRMs...Jackie Bearenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-66778767529410285972011-02-19T14:53:08.392+00:002011-02-19T14:53:08.392+00:00Such a shame that this is still going on. Complet...Such a shame that this is still going on. Complete transparency is the way forward. Perhaps its just too late for this wonderful little breed. The Breed custodians have caused this! Poor little dogs!Annie Machttp://www.braccoitalianoscotland.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-81023360106595181972011-02-19T09:15:42.948+00:002011-02-19T09:15:42.948+00:00Excellent point, Bodil!Excellent point, Bodil!Sheila Atterhttp://www.ridleyceskyterriers.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-49330448725505099282011-02-18T07:35:04.245+00:002011-02-18T07:35:04.245+00:00Anonymous, how do you expect "back street bre...Anonymous, how do you expect "back street breeders" to be knowledgeable and forthcoming with the buyers, if the breed club/KC - organized ones are not???<br /><br />For as long as well-known breeders, who see themselves as respectable and successful and certainly want to be seen as such by others, do get away with not scanning and not acknowledging the need to scan and publish results, of course backstrett breeders will do the same. Or even less.<br />The whole point with pedigree breeding and breed club membership is the difference in practice between the good breeders and the backstrett breeders.<br />If in fact there is no difference...why should I buy from one rather than the other?Bodil Carlssonhttp://collievaenner.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-57302649626011227912011-02-17T16:13:20.904+00:002011-02-17T16:13:20.904+00:00Bodil asks,
what price do breeders ask for puppies...Bodil asks,<br />what price do breeders ask for puppies? <br /><br />It depends on the area, but a small hobby breeder would expect to get between £550 to £800. <br />Top breeders may charge a lot more and can sell puppies for thousands of pounds abroad.<br /><br />Average litter size is about four.<br /><br />There is now another article in the new edition of Dog World, where the BVA President asks for cavalier breeders to send in their views on the BVA/KC scanning scheme. <br /><br />I would suggest that the opinion of pet owners with SM affected dogs or anyone that owns another 'at risk' breed would be valuable. <br /><br />Contact details that may be helpful are: diana.brooks-ward@thekennelclub.org.uk<br /><br />For the BVA, Sandra Webber (BVA Health Schemes) SandraW@bva.co.uk..... it may be worth adding FAO Harvey Locke (President)Margaret Carternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-28067748787087791942011-02-17T15:20:19.664+00:002011-02-17T15:20:19.664+00:00As you appear to have a grudge against the show br...As you appear to have a grudge against the show breeders, I would be interested what you intend doing about the back street breeders, not only of Cavaliers but other breeds. Out of interest I look at our local free ads, as you stated that 8,000 had still been bred, I presume you mean dogs not litters. On the local site there were 37 litters and 4 stud dogs, as I am researching over something else, I phoned all of these people. Not one was an exhibitor, they were just breeding from the pet bitch or to make some money. Not one of them had parents that were scanned, several had not even heard of syringomyelia. As regards to other health problems most said well mine is healthy enough, one stud dog owner who advertised dog has sired over 100 pups said the vet listens to his heart from time to time, I suppose that is somethingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-78124695834238186052011-02-15T20:31:04.183+00:002011-02-15T20:31:04.183+00:00Sorry, forgot the point. A breeder I know in this ...Sorry, forgot the point. A breeder I know in this country had a few of the puppies in her latest litter born with small umbilical hernias - quite often a no-treatment-required condition, harmless for the individual dog and in fact one that in the adult dog you wouldn´t discover unless you knew it was there and looked for it. Well, this breeder sold those puppies with a hefty redyctuion in the price she asked. Just in case the puppies might require surgery to close up the little hernia, she put the price down 25% to cover the better part of the cost for this small, uncomplicated operation.<br />If Cav breeders won´t have the MR results published, would they ask full price for the puppies from parents whose MR results are not known? Or, since the buyer definitely would want to scan the puppy, do they lower the price they ask to cover the cost for the MR?Bodil Carlssonhttp://collievaenner.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-52415823823659025702011-02-14T19:13:19.605+00:002011-02-14T19:13:19.605+00:00OK, Anonymous, thanks. Just looked it up. And what...OK, Anonymous, thanks. Just looked it up. And what price do breeders ask for Cav puppies?Bodil Carlssonhttp://collievaenner.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-11889246661196700072011-02-14T16:56:58.643+00:002011-02-14T16:56:58.643+00:00Nessie said.......
"I feel that something ot...Nessie said.......<br /><br />"I feel that something other than 'NO RESULTS RECORDED' needs to be recorded for earlier scans otherwise it looks like the dog had not been scanned.<br />NO RESULTS RECORDED UNDER THIS CURRENT SCHEME would be pointless."<br /><br />I am sure the KC would consider some other wording, but if the idea is to show that there has actually been an earlier scan that does not fit the new criteria, then I would presume the old certificate would have to be submitted to the KC as proof?<br /><br /><br />Nessie said...... <br /><br />"They also need to get it right and fixed and stop moving the goal posts before going mandatory."<br /><br />A scheme where all tests are done to the same criteria and read by a trained and expert panel would usually be thought to be 'right and fixed'<br /> It is how other schemes work.<br /><br />I do not understand why you think this scheme is going to be mandatory?<br />Like all other official schemes there is no compulsion to use it. Those that have objections can choose to go their own way, but they should not be allowed to block this scheme for the breeders that do want to use it.Margaret Carternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-72450041895504608382011-02-14T08:52:49.495+00:002011-02-14T08:52:49.495+00:00http://www.thecavalierclub.co.uk/health/syringo/mr...http://www.thecavalierclub.co.uk/health/syringo/mriscan.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-91104500871794770862011-02-13T12:40:43.635+00:002011-02-13T12:40:43.635+00:00What is the cost of an MR scan if the puppy buyer ...What is the cost of an MR scan if the puppy buyer has it done and how many sites in the UK are capable of doing them?<br />If a breeder scans one or several of her/his breeding stock, is there a price cut ( i e, does the KC, breed club or AHT subsidize)?Bodil Carlssonhttp://collievaenner.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-63475696781564704962011-02-13T09:55:04.813+00:002011-02-13T09:55:04.813+00:00Nothing is mandatory. It has been proposed by the ...Nothing is mandatory. It has been proposed by the KC that results are not posted. This does not follow all the other BVA/KC health schemes. Not posting results will undrmine the validity of the scheme when compared to the BVA/KC precedent of posting reults in the breed records. There is no transparency now. Remember this breeding scheme will only be used by those breeders that choose to use it. Shame that all those involved appear to have swept aside the health and well being of the dogs to appease breeders who may or may not particpate in a breeding scheme.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-30702021979656509232011-02-13T00:58:10.959+00:002011-02-13T00:58:10.959+00:00I feel that something other than 'NO RESULTS R...I feel that something other than 'NO RESULTS RECORDED' needs to be recorded for earlier scans otherwise it looks like the dog had not been scanned.<br />NO RESULTS RECORDED UNDER THIS CURRENT SCHEME would be pointless. If the scheme is going to work then the facts need to be recorded from the onset of scanning. They also need to get it right and fixed and stop moving the goal posts before going mandatory.<br /><br />I felt Jemima Harrison's report biased and does not reflect a true picture.Nessienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-68442555272515682782011-02-12T22:32:09.985+00:002011-02-12T22:32:09.985+00:00Hello Nessie,
If I have misunderstood the point o...Hello Nessie,<br /><br />If I have misunderstood the point of your post then I apologise. <br /><br />Please tell me what I have misunderstood? <br /><br />I merely sought to address your statement:-<br /> <br />"As far as I understand it, the new KC/BVA system as it stands will place on the records of puppies of dogs that have been tested, with excellent results, the words 'NO RESULTS RECORDED', this doesn't present the correct and true picture of a breeders breeding practices.<br /><br />Might I suggest that it is more likely this that they find unacceptable rather than, the results of dogs scanned under the new official syringomyelia (SM) screening programme being made public."<br /><br />I made a suggestion that I thought could answer the concerns you voiced about the words 'NO RESULTS RECORDED' showing when the dog had in fact been scanned, even if it was under a less stringent criteria than the one now being put into place.Margaret Carternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-2912672608165197782011-02-12T21:33:37.250+00:002011-02-12T21:33:37.250+00:00That is not what I stated!That is not what I stated!Nessienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64278705677021182352011-02-12T15:43:48.918+00:002011-02-12T15:43:48.918+00:00So if the Kennel Club put 'NO RESULTS RECORDED...So if the Kennel Club put 'NO RESULTS RECORDED UNDER THIS CURRENT SCHEME' all objections would end?<br /><br />Easily sorted then.Margaret Carternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-88851025220776098232011-02-12T13:38:50.319+00:002011-02-12T13:38:50.319+00:00I find this very confusing as I don't feel wha...I find this very confusing as I don't feel what is stated in dog world, supports what you state in your Blog.<br /><br />Many breeders that I know have spent thousands scanning their Cavaliers. <br /><br /><br />As far as I understand it, the new KC/BVA system as it stands will place on the records of puppies of dogs that have been tested, with excellent results, the words 'NO RESULTS RECORDED', this doesn't present the correct and true picture of a breeders breeding practices.<br /><br />Might I suggest that it is more likely this that they find unacceptable rather than, the results of dogs scanned under the new official syringomyelia (SM) screening programme being made public.<br /><br />Sincerely<br />Nessie LoganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com