tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post3755587513808818761..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Danes: the ugliness insideJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1171616743700903612016-11-05T23:53:53.631+00:002016-11-05T23:53:53.631+00:00I have to comment on one thing - "old age&quo...I have to comment on one thing - "old age" is not a cause of death. There would need to be an underlying disease process to actually cause death. Having "old age" as a reason in the data undermines the accuracy of the data. <br />ChristineAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07674672062981206772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8169463604493504252016-09-20T19:06:16.975+01:002016-09-20T19:06:16.975+01:00I too would like to know how reliable the lifespan...I too would like to know how reliable the lifespan data is for these dogs since it is longer than wild or captive wolves; where wolves generally are more genetically diverse than dogs.PipedreamFarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689373141070251132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-46047506700061135642016-09-14T23:46:02.831+01:002016-09-14T23:46:02.831+01:00Yes, it is needed. Let me see what I can find. Th...Yes, it is needed. Let me see what I can find. There is a mention of the longevity here ( the Bankhar Project - run by scientists) but no reference to supporting data. <br /><br />http://bankhar.orgJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-36765288761809269302016-09-14T17:52:13.613+01:002016-09-14T17:52:13.613+01:00I would very much appreciate any independent suppo...I would very much appreciate any independent supporting evidence -- peer-reviewed or not -- that corroborates the life span claims made for these Mongolian dogs, which seem frankly outrageous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-49224705408561793412016-09-13T03:27:45.263+01:002016-09-13T03:27:45.263+01:00Yes, generally all kennel club breeders, but parti...Yes, generally all kennel club breeders, but particularly those who show and breed pedigree dogs. It's a disparaging label to define someone who breeds mostly pedigree dogs but doesn't register them or show them with a KC. Recently it's also used to describe breeders who cross breed intentionally as well. <br /><br />That's always been my understanding of what is meant when someone uses BYB at least, because it is in my eperience mostly the case. This might be different in the USA......So yes I conciously choose to call all breeders responsible or irresponsible instead, depending on how they are going about things. Importantly I don't make any exceptions, this includes pedigree show breeders, especialy those involved in qualsucht for one example, any kind of irresponsible breeding.<br /><br />This avoids confusion as to what exactly a BYB is meant to be and to who. Just dont use it. Many don't define qaulzucht breeders as "BYB" but responsible and see no problem there as they are in most cases fully condoned by KCs, they might even be health testing, yes the irony.<br /><br />Yes puppy mills are definitely a class all on their own, and they don't even have to be large scale to be objectionable. Someone who keeps five Yorkies constantly in cages, constantly pregnant, no grooming, exercise, vet attention, fresh air or light or any of the above and still producing puppies is a puppy mill. They can even be registering and showing some dogs at the same time, still a puppy mill.<br /><br />Lets face it anything can happen in a back yard!<br /><br /> Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-83627918668694470352016-09-13T00:27:42.262+01:002016-09-13T00:27:42.262+01:00@River P
The meaning of any word is up to the ind...@River P<br /><br />The meaning of any word is up to the individual. Most people I know and have met use it to mention a type of irresponsible breeder. <br /><br />There are plenty of words that mean something entirely different today than it did in the past. Its about how the average person interprets the word. <br /><br />For example:<br />Nice used to mean foolish, silly, simple. <br />Aweful meant "worthy of awe"<br />Naughty meant you had naught, or nothing. <br /><br />I could go on. <br /><br />I couldn't define it myself, and don't care to. I use "irresponsible breeder" to define anything that isn't a puppy mill. <br /><br />Words are used to describe something to someone, so understanding what people mean when they say it is more important than arguing over the original meaning of the word. <br /><br />Even if it means something different to the average dog lover than to the average show fanatic or whatever, understanding what is meant by others is important. <br /> <br />I have now realized what you mean as BYB is the definition held by certain KC people. Sunny Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271390576235377292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-59050872184527451282016-09-12T13:45:27.648+01:002016-09-12T13:45:27.648+01:00Well, with any word, its about how it is interpret...Well, with any word, its about how it is interpreted. <br /><br />If the entire world thinks the word means something it doesn't, then that means they are using the word with that meaning. <br /><br />Its useless to say what its supposed to mean when people don't mean that. <br /><br />But yeah, I see where you are coming from completely. Sunny Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271390576235377292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-90377825336738616352016-09-12T12:51:52.999+01:002016-09-12T12:51:52.999+01:00Sunny Dogs,
1st link wouldn't work for me. 2n...Sunny Dogs,<br /><br />1st link wouldn't work for me. 2nd...lots of differing answers.<br /> <br /> I do believe originally it was a term coined by K.C orgs. to label any non member breeder. Often a term to to describe 'anyone you don't like' ( quote from one of your linked responses) <br /><br />Maybe past its use by date as a description then, because I can assure you it IS STILL very often used to describe any breeder not working within the pedigree system, by those who are. Regardless of any care taken.<br /><br />Its a term those people have grown so accustomed to having thrown at them every day, so people like Robert and his breeders have come to accept as their label, like it or not. <br /> So we have decided to like it, and reclaim it. If you mean irresponsible, or careless those might be better words to use. Other wise you might be judging people on no information than a label forced on them by others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-71273147338891476642016-09-12T09:12:52.272+01:002016-09-12T09:12:52.272+01:00Pedigree show breeders would still call Robert Ber...Pedigree show breeders would still call Robert Bernie's dog a product of a BYB, no matter what you have decided BYB is or isn't, simply because it's not registered with a KC and as such there is no proof it hasn't been "molested" and "contaminated" by cross breeding with another breed! That's what should be understood by the meaning of BYB in context.<br /><br />Even though it's widely bandied about now out of context of the extreme far right eugenicists of the showing worlds pedigree dog breeders and KCs, they coined the phrase, not you. <br /><br />They did so primarily to encourage people to buy their dogs rather than what they describe as the mutts bred by BYBs.<br /><br />To prevent confusion no one else quite frankly should be using it unless they're indeed one of those far right extreme.....instead the terms responsible and irresponsible are more than adequate as used instead of BYB by most of the forum members on the sites you linked.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-37188111653146122482016-09-12T08:06:10.139+01:002016-09-12T08:06:10.139+01:00Your premiss that "all BYB are irresponsible&...Your premiss that "all BYB are irresponsible" is flawed, what would be more accurate IMO as "are all BYBs 'meant' to be irresponsible?". <br /><br />Yes they are certainly labelled as such. BYB is simply something first coined and promoted by KCs and BCs and their members who register with KCs, breeders of pedigree showing dogs. <br />Plain old marketing propaganda. It's a derogatory inflammatory term for someone who breeds outside of National/Internationl KCs for the good or the bad of dogs. Despite the fact that puppy mills and everyone under the sun have always in fact also been able to happily register their puppies with the KC. That irony was and is still lost on most of them.<br /><br />Interesting how informed many are these days. Many now implying on the forums you linked to at least that "BYBs" to them are not breeders working outside KCs and their BCs but are in fact simply what they consider irresponsible breeders instead. For others even if they dont say it the all too frequent use of the word "pedigree" gives the game away. To them a pedigree is not just a record of ancestry its a record and proof of a closed register breeding and therefore "responsible" and not a BYB. Generally most seem to go with its a defunct term and there are just responsible and irresponsible breeders and offer up what those might be. They almost all rely heavily on "health testing" as the litmus test which as we know within pedigree show circle breeding is a badly flawed premise for quite a few very logical already well known reasons. <br /><br />The term BYB shouldn't be used at all anymore, I agree with most on that. It's become confusing and ambiguous, used to describe any breeder good or bad by anyone, depending on who is using it and why. It has no meaning other than a negative propaganda tool. <br /><br />An irresponsible breeder is just that, plain English same as a responsible one. What these are to a great extent of course also relies heavily on agenda, the term BYB used to be a dead give away as to what that is in fact but now it seems at least from your forums to generally mean nothing anymore. Unless used by a KC member to describe someone who doesn't register their dogs with them and who breeds outside of closed registries.<br /><br />Xeph got it spot on, <br /><br />"How do you define a BYB?" Anybody you don't like. LOLAntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-16098491215342891972016-09-12T01:36:57.786+01:002016-09-12T01:36:57.786+01:00Again, I'll comment with the links to two foru...Again, I'll comment with the links to two forums which I asked dog lovers their opinions on what makes a BYB.<br /><br />http://www.dogforums.com/general-dog-forum/453522-how-would-you-define.html<br /><br />https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comments/528jms/discussion_how_would_you_define_a_back_yard/<br /><br />And tell me, is this type of breeder one you would want to support? Sunny Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271390576235377292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-51289444835534587292016-09-12T01:31:36.341+01:002016-09-12T01:31:36.341+01:00Pedigree papers doesn't make a dog stumpy, or ...Pedigree papers doesn't make a dog stumpy, or short lived itself. <br />The stumpy appearence is based on showring trends, short lived can be due to a number of reasons including poor health and poor structure. <br /><br />A nice breeder of athletic staffords:<br />http://www.riskysstaffords.co.uk/females.html<br /><br />Another breeder of nice athletic staffords:<br />http://www.freewebs.com/abbeystaff/ourdogs.htm<br /><br />I guess my working lab is a fat, kennel club dog with poor health and high inbreeding? <br />And my Working Tervuren has huge, lion like coat, poor nerves and other Kennel Club terv stuff?<br /><br />Papers don't mean anything for health. Theyre just papers. Diversity and working ability helps preserve health, and open pedigrees keep breeds alive and can drastically help a breed. <br /><br />Just because a dog has papers doesn't mean its responsibly bred. <br />And it doesn't sound like your staffords breeder was a terrible breeder if the parents had great temperaments, were health bred, raised with purpose, and properly raised and socialized as a pup, and seems to have all the signs, then I am sorry to inform you, your dog is closer to a responsibly bred dog than not. <br /><br />From the limited imformation you shared, your dog sounds responsibly bred. <br /><br />You do not seem to know what people mean by a BYB. They are categorized as the opposite of what you described. Sunny Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271390576235377292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-89605764327721619022016-09-11T23:13:37.439+01:002016-09-11T23:13:37.439+01:00Sunny dogs - yes, I'm still proud of my "...Sunny dogs - yes, I'm still proud of my "poorly, irresponsibly bred dog" she makes me feel good every day! My "BYB" has been a friend of mine for over twenty years, we met through dogs, not someone whose number I found online. My friend's last pedigree dog was a Dogue de Bordeaux, dead at 7 years old - but he had papers! The dam of my bitch, a Stafford has no papers, but her maternal line is known to us for 4 generations, the sire, we have known for 2 generations. Whilst not "pedigree", they are of the type we want(as we feel many, not all, KC staffords are getting too "dumpy" or short in the leg), longer legged, athletic, friendly, healthy dogs. Hell if it looks like a Stafford, runs like a Stafford, jumps like Stafford, wags it's tail like a Stafford, then to me it's a Stafford papers or not. Search online for a picture of old staffords, you'll see the Cradley Heath, Wallsall and Darleston types, different but the same type of dog. <br />Our dogs were bred for a specific purpose, temperament, health, type. My friend, the byb, always planned to keep a pup, which he did. All the pups were brought up with his children, other animals and well socialised. The pups were not advertised, as due to the character and soundness of the dam and sire, people wanted pups before the mating even took place. I fail to see what is irresponsible about breeding from your own dog, keeping a pup to live with your family, knowing the people who took the other pups would look after them properly and not making any money out of the breeding.<br />By the way, when walking my "poorly, irresponsibly bred" dog, I was stopped by a man who turned out to be a vet. I guess he liked her type, he knew what she was without seeing her papers or asking about her breeding. He did like her character, her structure, especially her hind angulation! So, I think I'll stick to my BY breeders or should I say fanciers, enthusiasts, dog people, honest decent human beings, who put a love of true type above arbitrary, discredited paperwork.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15300202443985486286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-31181424757193529172016-09-11T16:57:59.226+01:002016-09-11T16:57:59.226+01:00@Anon 02:44
The above comment was deleted to chang...@Anon 02:44<br />The above comment was deleted to change what I have written, apologies. <br /><br />I decided I would not be able to accurately explain what a byb is, so I decided to ask on 2 different forums so see the consensus from general dog owners. <br /><br />https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comments/528jms/discussion_how_would_you_define_a_back_yard/<br /><br />http://www.dogforums.com/general-dog-forum/453522-how-would-you-define.html#post4965946<br /><br />So these may have more answers added to them. I did this to hopefully hear the more common opinion. I asked the same question to, which is poorly written.Sunny Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271390576235377292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-28821853143675807762016-09-11T15:43:22.188+01:002016-09-11T15:43:22.188+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Sunny Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271390576235377292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-16910158225814813032016-09-11T06:42:00.364+01:002016-09-11T06:42:00.364+01:00Yes exactly and yes there are also alternative reg...Yes exactly and yes there are also alternative registries that breed along different lines, not for all breeds but the time will certainly come unless the KCs of this world don't get their act together.<br /><br />In some case it's just one breeder no registry. They're still responsible breeders.<br /><br />MO there is just responsible breeders and irresponsible ones and most of the former are not in Kennel Clubs. But of course yes there are also a great deal of irresponsible breeders outside of Kennel Clubs, this doesn't make them backyard breeders just irresponsible breeders, this includes puppy mills.<br /><br />Of course the biggest irony of all is show breeders who think because they health test and win ribbons makes them responsible breeders and not only that but the only responsible breeders!Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-57685696811934479472016-09-10T02:44:32.148+01:002016-09-10T02:44:32.148+01:00Sunny Dogs-
How do you then define a Back yard br...Sunny Dogs-<br /> How do you then define a Back yard breeder, If its got nothing to do with registration?<br /><br />As to how much a back yard breeder will do, here at least, you might be suprised. A long way to go yet, but we have seen a rise of those realizing they can be 'BYBers' and still set an example. Others are folowing.<br /> Advertising litters with pics and known history, temp etc. of both parents, info. on socialization done, follow up of pups and face book groups for buyers to brag or complain/seek help on pups bought. Lots of transparency. <br /><br />So if mix or pure bred doesn't matter, what IS back yard breeder?<br />Used to be any one who wasn't registering pups through a K.C?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-78332257743644248772016-09-09T16:40:11.511+01:002016-09-09T16:40:11.511+01:00Dear Doggers,
I breed my non-KC/AKC dogs in the f...Dear Doggers,<br /><br />I breed my non-KC/AKC dogs in the front yard. They do almost all the work.<br /><br />Donald McCaigDonald McCaighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11890894628274998487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-18291135448103632332016-09-08T14:04:41.812+01:002016-09-08T14:04:41.812+01:00Robert Berni- exactly!
Since their inception, t...Robert Berni- exactly! <br /><br />Since their inception, the K.Cs have railed against Back yard Breeders. Yet when you think about it, almost all the breeds we have today were back yard bred. They were developed by people breeding dogs for their own purposes, suited to the environments they provided in their own back yards. Using dogs proven IN their own back yards. Until the K.Cs came and appropriated these local specialty types, called them 'Pure' breeds, and taught that success is not reliability of performance or purpose, but a show ring title.<br /><br /> This attack on 'back yard breeders' amounts to a destruction of the values a pedigree stands on.The values that SHOULD be brought to support the pedigree system.<br />I am convinced it has contributed directly to the ignorance of the community in how they respond to the species, and by extension towards welfare problems.<br /><br />If "the people" are no longer fit to breed their own dogs, you won't teach them how its done- and any one who does clearly doesn't know, or they would be be a K.C member who wouldn't!<br /><br />And THATS why the practices that make a good breeder are not up for discussion. Its not about practices, its about identity as a K.C member, and defined by pedigree.<br />But with out discussion of practices, people can't be expected to make the best decisions. <br />They are denied an ability to respond more effectively.<br />they are denied response-ability.<br /><br />You create the world you believe. If you don't teach the values that aid purpose, they are lost.<br /><br />We don't discuss what practices are useful.<br />Because to be 'ethical' means to be bound to a K.C identity. That identity doesn't recognize 'practice' or values as some thing 'common' to breeders. If it is, they lose their exclusive exclusive identity.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-73215062028235230762016-09-08T12:23:27.244+01:002016-09-08T12:23:27.244+01:00Also, I will just say, I don't think inbreedin...Also, I will just say, I don't think inbreeding is responsible breeding. <br />I don't think breeding for the show ring and disregarding important traits like good nerves and temperaments is responsible breeding. <br />And again, to me a responsible breeder can be trying to breed a mix or a purebred, and to me that doesn't matter. <br /><br />Of course, I also don't support those that go overboard either.<br /><br />But thats a responsible breeder to me, perhaps not to the next guy. <br /><br />I also forgot to mention the socialization of the pups and puppy culture and things to give the pups the best start in life, as the first 12 weeks at THE most important to a dog, which is based on studies as opposed to personal anecdotes. <br />Where responsible breeders are getting the pups used to strange sounds, new people, new situtations, and are working their butts off to give the pups the best start, I wonder how much a byb will do?Sunny Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271390576235377292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-18706253828107976092016-09-08T12:16:42.719+01:002016-09-08T12:16:42.719+01:00Um, a reputable breeder is not what you think it i...Um, a reputable breeder is not what you think it is. <br /><br />Reputable breeders rarely make money from breeding. <br /><br />They breed to improve their dogs for a specific purpose<br /><br />They health test their dogs<br /><br />They prove the breeding value of their dogs<br /><br />They have a vision of what they are aiming for.<br /><br />They take back any pups that the owner can no longer keep so they don't end up in shelters.<br /><br />They make sure the pups are going to people who suit the breed(s) and have knowledge on the breeds needs. <br /><br />Back yard breeders usually have crappy reasons for breeding dogs. Who knows why the byb of your dog bred their dogs, but usually there is no thought to the mating and why it happens, no purpose behind the mating, the pups are very often sold for profit. These dogs are not making better dogs, and its these types of dogs which end up in shelters. <br /><br />No, a reputable breeder in my eyes has nothing to do with registration. <br />I believe whether its someone trying to breed a brilliant sports mix, working dog mix, purebred or mixed, they can still be responsible. <br />There are no excuses, but I hope a poorly, irresponsibly bred dog makes you feel better. <br /><br />I bet if this BYB had two pedigree dogs, you would not be bragging about it right now. <br /><br />The ones breeding for the right reasons, I'd say the responsible breeders as they are actually trying to breed better dogs. Sunny Dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271390576235377292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-84630147890426614082016-09-07T20:29:57.269+01:002016-09-07T20:29:57.269+01:00What once was seen as a badge of honour, "my ...What once was seen as a badge of honour, "my dog is KC registered" is nowadays more a badge of shame. People who breed unregistered dogs, many doing so for the love of these animals, not rosettes, are usually labelled by the KC's and their supporters as "backyard breeders". Do these KC types book hotel rooms for the deed? I'm proud to say my dog is from a backyard breeder, no mating cradle involved, just a healthy sire and dam with good temperaments, no profits made on the pups, which all went to people known to the breeder. Hmmm, backyard breeders or KC supporting breeders, which ones are in breeding for the right reasons I wonder?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15300202443985486286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-65364645448880208052016-09-07T11:58:25.085+01:002016-09-07T11:58:25.085+01:00Through their active promotion of beliefs not base...Through their active promotion of beliefs not based on science.<br />Through the age old mantra 'Avoid back yard breeders'<br />Through the idea that a dog with out a pedigree has no reliability of traits.<br /><br /> Its not 'force' as such, but it is an active and prolonged ( for over 150 years) oppression of any practices that don't fall under their own jurisdiction.<br /><br />Its a shaping of direction and attitudes over the last 150 years that insists breeding should be left to the 'experts" and there can be none out side of K.C membership.<br />The insistence BYBers are unethical because few health test, with out disclosing how its not mandatory for most pedigree breeders either.<br /> For the belief that blames BYBers for the health or temprament problems in pure breeds.<br /><br />I have known since childhood that the pedigree system would collapse, eventualy, but as long as I could get good dogs I thought it would be some thing that we would work around.<br />I never realized the effect it had on the SPECIES until I could no longer find the kind of dogs I had come to expect.<br />It took me 10 years to find 2. I depend on them and don't have that kind of time to look again. So I bred them. <br />The kind of crap you are forced to deal with from pedigree breeders IS oppressive to the extent few can stick to their convictions. Few can gain recognition for a job well done, and few can teach or promote good breeding practices out side of a K.C umbrella. It will not be tolerated with out a back lash and personal cost.<br /><br />It a system that will force us all into mandatory health testing, because PEDIGREES are failing and we allow that to dictate direction for every one. <br /> Because we won't stand up to say a K.Cs or breed club HAS NO RIGHT to make rules that lie outside their their own jurisdiction. Rules that WILL and DO affect those out side their own jurisdiction by the actions of their members, acting on the prejudice inherent in their constitutional identy.<br /> The same prejudice that oppresses their own members taking effective action to save the breeds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-60151473708358981062016-09-07T09:58:24.294+01:002016-09-07T09:58:24.294+01:00The KC endorsement that breeders try to sell you a...The KC endorsement that breeders try to sell you as you can't breed from the dog is actually just an endorsement that if you breed from an endorsed dog you will not be able to register the pups with the KC. They will try to tell you it means you can't breed from the dog, but read the endorsement it just says, "Progeny Not Eligible for Registration" if you breed from the dog. So you can breed from an endorsed dog, but will not be able to register the offspring with the KC. It is just a club rule and if you don't want to be in the club the rule means diddly squat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64052037011398202472016-09-07T07:18:10.038+01:002016-09-07T07:18:10.038+01:00Yes, the first paragraph of that is undoubtedly tr...Yes, the first paragraph of that is undoubtedly true @ 00:18!<br /><br />Fran I dont think we can say Caucasian Homo sapiens aren't particularly successful as a species genetically speaking. They are a pretty large diverse type for starters and have been around for at least what is it 20 000 years or so. Far from dying off Caucasian have prospered. <br /><br />Life expectancy would appear to be pretty stable and certainly far better than ever before in their evolution. If we/they lived much longer it could become a problem instead. Environmental factors.... Homo sapiens of pure African decent are apparently even healthier genetically speaking even though they have a generally lower life expectancy. So it's of course not quite so black and white.....<br /><br />The irony here of course is that if it were we would have to accept there is an inherent value in 'pure" gene pools......purity for purity sake and without it "we" caucasians for example are all doomed because we can never rid ourselves of Neanderthal genes.<br /><br />Pure gene pools are not inherently of value as we know. In the case of wild animals like the Dingo finely tuned to it's environment purity of type is definitely a plus. Domestic dog breeds are endangering the Dingo already pedigree or not. For Neanderthal man at the time it wasn't, for the good and the bad their genes are still alive and well today! For many populations of domestic dog breeds at the moment it certainly isn't, the same for isolated populations of other species like wild animals, example the Cheetah. <br /><br />As so many pedigree dogs are so fatally inbred they could destroy domestic dog in some isolated locations, possibly they have already. It all depends on who comes out on top. Single outcrossing can improve pedigree dogs for particular problems as we know but its not an end all solution. Breeding practises have to fundamentally change. <br /><br />Diversity needs to be a priority long term. Until we can genetically engineer a breed to be 100% free of diseases we don't have any other tools at our disposal.<br /><br />The pedigree closed registry paradigm is a failure primarily because it takes one species and divides it into hundreds of smaller closed genetic pools which we then constantly strive to impoverish genetically by backcrossing to fix and "improve" various "desirable" winning traits and winners based purely on looks alone. <br /><br />How is it we ended up with a giant short lived dysfunctional disaster like the English Mastiff? Instead of a functional healthy athletic English mastiff. By doing exactly that.<br /><br />We need to celebrate genetic diversity in our breeds where it works and not fear that it's "contamination" instead. <br /><br />If we let our dogs go wild in numbers and let nature do the selecting we could end up with a pretty healthy wild dog yes, but the genes for those diseases that plague our breeds would never entirely disappear even if there was no sign of problem, doesn't mean those wild dogs are unhealthy. <br /><br />Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.com