tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post3268556219263612457..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: BREAKING NEWS: Norwegian KC admits "we went too far" and pledges to revolutionise 'brachy' healthJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-7341478372348846592016-09-28T02:35:28.053+01:002016-09-28T02:35:28.053+01:00Thanks Eli-Ann.
(: No DNA testing , health testi...Thanks Eli-Ann. <br /><br />(: No DNA testing , health testing, Im shocked! (: (: <br /><br />Yes I'm truly shocked that no other kennel club can see that these breeds have been bred into horrifying, crippling dysfunction, that any number of health tests can never change.<br /><br />I wonder what rambling insanity Mrs Kisko will come up with to stop the KC following this uber practical test to save dogs a life of utter tragic misery. Oh yes I forgot they're all puppymills over there in Norway, breeding their dogs to squished anyway. British KC Pugs, Pekes, Bulldogs etc etc are all natural birthing, free breathing, genetically robust superior dogs in every way. They must be cause we register them! And unless your part of the rich and famous dog owning public just forget it, you cant afford the superior crippled hot mess anyway.<br /><br /> Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-13197754237837140702016-09-27T12:13:00.854+01:002016-09-27T12:13:00.854+01:00NKK is keeping up with their work for canine healt...NKK is keeping up with their work for canine health. September 16.th NKK published (in Norwegian) the following update:<br />http://web2.nkk.no/no/nyheter/Viktig+m%C3%A5ling+ferdigstilt.b7C_wlLI1U.ips<br /><br /> Here a translated version: <br /><br />Measurement of nose and shell length completed<br /><br />In the recent times, the debate about the brachycephalic breeds and their health challenges flared up, and NKK has previously adopted a number of measures to improve the situation for these breeds. One measure to improve the situation is to establish a good method to measure nose and shell length in the dog breeds with shortened muzzle. The tools for this measurement is now almost completed.<br /><br />Company Aninova in Hamar, in collaboration with NKK health department has previously received funding for a pilot project (feasibility study) to evaluate various methods for measuring of nose and skull length in the dog breeds with shortened muzzle. Research shows that the ratio of length of muzzle and skull says something about the risk of BOAS (brachycephalic obstructive airway syndrome), which ultimately causes breathing problems.<br /><br />- It is not always easy to measure this in conscious dogs, and the pilot project should therefore evaluate which methods may work and which ones that are too inaccurate for practical use, says NKK Veterinary Officer Kristin Wear Prestrud.<br /><br />Results will bw ready in October 2016.<br /><br /><br />- The plan was initially to make measurements on the three breeds; pugs, English bulldog and French bulldog, and thus include only the Norwegian Pug Club and Norwegian Bulldog Club. However, there also came wishes from several other clubs to be included, which is welcomed as a positive response, says Prestrud.<br /><br />The measurements are now finished and the results will probably be ready in October.Eli-Annehttp://www.lotta-fra-brakmakergata.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-10538133180121119322016-06-03T20:23:02.561+01:002016-06-03T20:23:02.561+01:00Step in the right direction, Hope other kennel clu...Step in the right direction, Hope other kennel clubs will follow suit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17520676743458940905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-31175437468166901202016-04-24T03:12:11.260+01:002016-04-24T03:12:11.260+01:00I don't believe its the buyers fault, or the b...I don't believe its the buyers fault, or the breeders fault or even just the judges fault that dogs like this are being bred.<br /> I think its the registry systems fault for promoting a closed culture whos priority is NOT providing a service for man to breed better dogs, but in putting the Pedigree BEFORE the dog.<br /><br />The value is in the pedigree, not the dog.<br /> Thats inarguable while selection of dogs is based before any other consideration on "does it have a pedigree" and not any value the dog may have to contribute to humanity. That is environment. Environment MUST select the values that it favors. Environmental selection is a value seeking system. It will promote, or favor the values that serve it best for purpose.<br /><br />A pedigree has undeniable value to breeding dogs. It is a value worth promoting and the reason the registry Orgs. have not been rejected out right long ago.<br /> <br />But it is not THE value. The dogs are the value and the purpose. That fact is not recognized while ANY value is measured 1st by conformity and certification of a pedigree before any other consideration. Thats not breeding for humanity, thats breeding for a closed culture with limited values.-Limited to what is already there, for a purpose of conformity only.<br /><br />Making it a value reduction system. A purpose reduction system. DEMANDING it be favored by the environment on the basis of a pedigree, not any values demonstrated. <br /><br />Purpose is environment specific. there are many environments that support the species dog for many purposes. Many values to support those many purposes.<br /><br />We have a large selection of the environment grouped together, with a resulting increase in the influence they are able to exert on the environment, saying the only value worth promotion is the pedigree. The dogs it represents have no obligation to bring value to humanity. Just the judgement of a single, closed culture.<br /><br /> Purpose and value is lost to conformity to a pedigree while any org. indoctrinates that a pedigree is equal to purpose and value. <br />A pedigree is one of many values able to contribute to a purpose. It is not the purpose. It can never demonstrate the purpose. Only a dog can do that. <br />We have increasingly fewer dogs ABLE to do that. <br />A dogs need ability to demonstrate their purpose to man, so that man understands what values to seek and emulate.<br />Demonstration of value and purpose to environment is a biological law of physics.<br /> With out that ability, the species WILL loose purpose and value to its environment. <br /><br /> That ability to even demonstrate value for a purpose is more often than not limited to dogs of pedigree. And what values do they demonstrate for the environment to emulate? <br /><br />No Org. tasked to breed 'better' dogs should be able to claim a pedigree is the 1st requisite before demonstrated value is recognized. Value and purpose are specific to environment. K.C orgs. are only one environment of many and the values relevant to the K.Cs can not hope to meet the demands of all others simply by not recognizing they exist and are valid.<br /><br /> <br /> <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-7399326862303000692016-04-19T07:36:31.469+01:002016-04-19T07:36:31.469+01:00I imagine for absolute die hards opting out of NKK...I imagine for absolute die hards opting out of NKK registration is always a possibility. In that case breeding laws will have to be investigated as an option.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8223275539838733912016-04-18T14:00:10.713+01:002016-04-18T14:00:10.713+01:00Golden Retrievers are Scottish not English!Golden Retrievers are Scottish not English!HighlandLasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345653281312637216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-67627055795063428402016-04-18T01:15:17.943+01:002016-04-18T01:15:17.943+01:00Yes judges are also to blame, but they are just pa...Yes judges are also to blame, but they are just part of the whole rotten scheme of dog shows. The way they are orientated at the present solely towards phenotype, uniformity and then secondly to extremes plus very limited movement on a leash is causing havoc. What becomes acceptable under that system is ever more literal interpretations of an exacting standard, until before you know it what stands infront of you is a freak.<br /><br />No dog should have an absolutely flat skull, egg shaped head, flat between the ears, no discernible stop etc etc for just a tiny few examples. The idea that they should have and absolutely, is purely diabolical even if they can just manage to breath, piss and bark without a nose, or the ability to even cock a leg.<br /><br />The showing model has to be changed to make a difference. It's a proven failure to eliminate all variation and dogs not absolutely conforming within very narrow parameters, then choosing the three most extremes to award within closed registers.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-34916176713339767322016-04-17T23:00:49.896+01:002016-04-17T23:00:49.896+01:00Are the breed clubs going along with the NKK on th...Are the breed clubs going along with the NKK on this? Can it go anywhere without their cooperation?Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389321571689128858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-57909166752421504432016-04-17T00:26:24.502+01:002016-04-17T00:26:24.502+01:00The dog shows are not the problem. Neither are the...The dog shows are not the problem. Neither are the rsnkings. The problem is the judges who reward unhealthy dogs. That must change.anemoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08080161212524394966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8631664784406662972016-04-15T23:17:04.567+01:002016-04-15T23:17:04.567+01:00If only all could have the scales fall from their ...If only all could have the scales fall from their eyes....what a dream that is.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-66059232749775987812016-04-14T16:28:25.002+01:002016-04-14T16:28:25.002+01:00The post states "The Norwegian Kennel Club wi...The post states "The Norwegian Kennel Club will raise the issue during the Nordic Kennel Union meeting in April 2016."<br />Please update us on the NKU meeting outcomes. Fingers crossed that this action will be generalized across the Nordic countries . . . and beyond.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389321571689128858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-28076111948918340272016-04-14T07:13:59.247+01:002016-04-14T07:13:59.247+01:00Yes each dog should be appraised completely on its...Yes each dog should be appraised completely on its own merits, not one against the other. They should be given a score which in effect can act like a "ranking" but it's set minimum a requirement to enter the open stud book or breed register. All hold pedigrees but a pedigree is just a record, an important one but not entitlement to registry into the studbook. In fact even a half a pedigree or none at all can still be appraised and enter the registry ......etc. <br /><br />All dogs required to be appraised this way and their off-spring to enter the stud book. <br /><br />Least it would be a good idea to open the studbook in a meaningful way and leave it so forever.<br /><br />Show breeders and exhibitors are it's true often more concerned with winning than dog health and function etc. So to satisfy the scores can still be used to give merit or title but they will in effect mean very different things, of course.<br /><br />I dont think this will go so far but it would be for the best if it did.<br /><br />Ordinarily I would say the breed clubs should hold the registry but in the case of the NKK under this system I wouldn't be the slightest bit concerned if they did, and the pedigree data base.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-84854466064040737012016-04-13T23:43:54.926+01:002016-04-13T23:43:54.926+01:00Nils Juel Blix
I am proud of NKK - this is a brave...Nils Juel Blix<br />I am proud of NKK - this is a brave stand to take.<br />The next obvious step to take is to stop the dog shows as we know them today.<br />Stop the rankings at the shows - just do quality judgments - no ranking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-23514442401791068972016-04-12T17:49:47.782+01:002016-04-12T17:49:47.782+01:00NKK makes me proud to be a Norwegian dog fancier o...NKK makes me proud to be a Norwegian dog fancier once more. They've really stepped up on dog welfare and dog health lately. Love it! I do really hope they will achieve their goals in all areas. Snøfrosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524842531238935895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-78963004662582969182016-04-12T13:30:39.989+01:002016-04-12T13:30:39.989+01:00Really useful info, thank you. Yes, it is disappoi...Really useful info, thank you. Yes, it is disappointing re the FSA. I wonder if more pressure could be put on them by Norwegian vets.Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-17447761540579149592016-04-12T13:25:13.281+01:002016-04-12T13:25:13.281+01:00Actually this is a translation of a statement NKK ...Actually this is a translation of a statement NKK made on April 6: <br />http://web2.nkk.no/no/nyheter/Fokus+p%C3%A5+kortsnutede+raser.b7C_wlHK4R.ips)<br /><br />This statement has not really surprised the dog community in Norway, at least not the ones I’ve spoken to. NKK has taken a aggressive stand on health and ethics within Norway and elsewhere. As mentioned in they’re statement they have tried to make information about respiratory surgery available to the public. But sadly this request was denied by the Norwegian Food Safety Authority (Mattilsynet) in 2015. <br /><br />The Norwegian Food Safety Authority are responsible for animal welfare (among other things). In 2013, when a renowned Norwegian newspaper wrote a series of articles focusing on brachycephalic breeds, the spokesperson from The Norwegian Food Safety Authority suggested that the breeding of such dogs may be against the law. This was taken as a hint of a possible ban of breeding certain breeds in the future. <br /><br />Some of the articles: <br />http://www.nrk.no/norge/_-hunder-lider-for-utseendet-1.11306844 The title is ”Dogs are suffering for looks”. <br /><br />http://www.aftenposten.no/dyr/Mattilsynet-avviser-ikke-forbud-mot-flere-hunderaser-7403746.html#.Uq64pqWwAWI The title: “The Norwegian Food Safety Authority (Mattilsynet) does not exclude banning more dog breeds”. <br /><br />Today there are six illegal breeds in Norway, deemed ”dangerous”. If any breeds would be banned on grounds of animal welfare this would be unprecedented. But the Norwegian legislation states that breeding animals for suffering is illegal:<br /><br />Law of animal welfare § 25 (translated by me)<br />“Breeding should produce robust animals with good function and health. There should not be breeding, included by means of genetic technology, that will: a) change genes to affect animals physical or mental functions in a negative way, or continue such genes, b) reduce the animal’s ability to perform natural behaviour (…)”. <br /><br />In Norwegian: Lov om dyrevelferd, § 25 <br />«Avl skal fremme egenskaper som gir robuste dyr med god funksjon og helse. Det skal ikke drives avl, herunder ved bruk av genteknologiske metoder, som: a) endrer arveanlegg slik at de påvirker dyrs fysiske eller mentale funksjoner negativt, eller som viderefører slike arveanlegg, b) reduserer dyrs mulighet til å utøve naturlig adferd (…)”<br />Source: https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/2009-06-19-97<br /><br />The Norwegian alliance of animal welfare celebrated the statement with this tweet: https://twitter.com/dyrevern/status/412580548037459969<br />”Mattilsynet vurderer forbud mot bl.a bulldog, pga avl som bryter med dyrevelferdsloven”. Translated: The Norwegian Food Safety Authority contemplating ban on bulldog, among others; breeding not in line with animal welfare laws. <br /><br />But alas, this was back in 2013, and the refusal to register respiratory surgery seems to counteract the Norwegian Food Safety Authority supposed dedication towards animal welfare. In this case, NKK seems to be the progressive organisation with a honest wish to improve, and the government body in charge of animal welfare is the roadblock. <br /><br />Ingvild Buhaughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16697968209745959990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-17416310694910120202016-04-12T12:53:36.233+01:002016-04-12T12:53:36.233+01:00Thanks... I'd forgotten about this. I think th...Thanks... I'd forgotten about this. I think the Norwegian endurance test will be quite a bit tougher than the Dutch one. <br /><br />Do you know what the rules are re natural birth/C-sections?Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-87460606328338413862016-04-12T12:48:39.016+01:002016-04-12T12:48:39.016+01:00The Dutch Kennel Club and both breeding clubs, de ...The Dutch Kennel Club and both breeding clubs, de Engelse Bulldog Club Nederland and de Bulldog<br />Club Nederland, signed an agreement which will take effect on June 1st, 2014.<br />The Dutch Kennel Club, in cooperation with both breeding clubs, established rules which eventually<br />should lead to an improvement of the general health of the Bulldog.<br />These rules apply to all matings taking place on and after June 1st, 2014. No pedigrees will be issued<br />to litters if the parents do not comply with these rules. The rules apply to all litters born in the<br />Netherlands, which means that these rules also apply to foreign stud dogs. The rules apply to all<br />litters, whether or not the breeder is a member of one the breeding clubs.<br />Requirements for Bulldogs used for breeding as from June 1, 2014:<br />1. Breeding Suitability Test: fitness test, patellar luxation(physical exam), physical appearance<br />2. ECVO eye test<br />3. DNA test-HUU<br />4. Restrictions for in-breeding<br />5. Natural birth, caesarean sectionM.Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03903912699245933615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64009979872309862016-04-12T08:39:02.686+01:002016-04-12T08:39:02.686+01:00I have now added it above.
It is here:
http://we...I have now added it above.<br /><br />It is here:<br /><br />http://web2.nkk.no/en/news/news/Focus+on+brachycephalic+breeds.b7C_wlHMWm.ipsJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-89741637408947118422016-04-12T05:19:04.961+01:002016-04-12T05:19:04.961+01:00Tolv poeng, twelve points, douze points! Well done...Tolv poeng, twelve points, douze points! Well done Norway!!!! The winner by far.<br /><br />Its a renaissance no other word for it. <br /><br />The bridge between the old and the new in dog breeding. Hope other breeding issues in other breeds are swept into the same action as this takes off.<br /><br />Im almost sure all the Nordic countries including the Netherlands and possibly even more wont bat an eyelid and jump aboard. They are also working within the FCI for change.<br /><br />Countries not involved will be seen internationaly as producing unhealthy dogs....more vital pressure absolutey yes.<br /><br />It's terrific news. Well done Jemima!Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-22298284758088191922016-04-12T04:26:45.568+01:002016-04-12T04:26:45.568+01:00HUGE round of applause for the Norwegian KC!HUGE round of applause for the Norwegian KC!Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11988735723510878162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-87667240378996387272016-04-12T02:04:23.841+01:002016-04-12T02:04:23.841+01:00Wow! Great powerful statement, hope they can bring...Wow! Great powerful statement, hope they can bring the breeders along with them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-62708568115579137392016-04-12T00:20:31.700+01:002016-04-12T00:20:31.700+01:00Could you provide the source announcement please? ...Could you provide the source announcement please? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-50928442668584250812016-04-11T19:28:08.754+01:002016-04-11T19:28:08.754+01:00Well, this was great news! Thanks, NKC, and may al...Well, this was great news! Thanks, NKC, and may all other national KC:s just scramble to follow your example...<br /><br />Bodil CarlssonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-17729330742644668742016-04-11T18:41:59.998+01:002016-04-11T18:41:59.998+01:00Well done NKC and their members!!Well done NKC and their members!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00902172020810444755noreply@blogger.com