tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post2947864688360655096..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: UC Davis challenge: prove your Bulldog is healthy and we'll diversity-test for freeJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-56302477013190918382016-09-13T11:05:35.598+01:002016-09-13T11:05:35.598+01:00The short answer is yes "many of those breeds...The short answer is yes "many of those breeds might have been started by crossing the bulldog with something else".<br /><br /><br /><br />https://www.ioeba.net/breed_info.htm#Banter this site has a lot of info the help sum up the history of a number of breeds I mentioned. The very long story from what I have read is as follows.<br />The exact history of the Old Boston Bulldogge is debated but it is basically a recreation of the dogs that Boston Terrier originated from. Mollett Victorian Bulldogs are "Mollett Line" Victorian Bulldogs, the Banter Bulldogges foundation breed is actually Boxer, people think the Buldogue Campeiro originated from English Bulldogs, CatBull=CatahoulaXBulldog which is a working cross.<br />The Larson Lakeview Bulldogge is supposed to be a "re-incarnation of the Olde English Bulldogge was developed by Kevin Larson of Larson Lakeview Kennels in Minnesota". They says "it is a result of combining breeds such as the American Bulldog, English Bulldog, the Mastiff, American Pit Bull Terrier, the Bullmastiff and the Bull Terrier." The Bonsai Bulldogge is supposed to be a more scaled down version of the "Olde English Style Bulldogge".Dogs Living +Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020471845692733005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-38634111434772192172016-09-12T20:58:21.227+01:002016-09-12T20:58:21.227+01:00Ouch!
Daniela, that's quite a list. Many of th...Ouch!<br />Daniela, that's quite a list. Many of those breeds might have been started by crossing the bulldog with something else?<br /><br />So sad the way so many English Bulldogs and modern Pugs suffer. Qualzucht breeding is so cruel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-33102590406714973772016-09-12T10:00:05.209+01:002016-09-12T10:00:05.209+01:00Yep, the "Showing English bulldog" shoul...Yep, the "Showing English bulldog" should be allowed to quietly die out for any number of basic welfare reasons. Dr Fraser is spot on, even if a couple of highly genetically diverse "pedigree" examples could be found hiding out somewhere on the globe it won't change the carnage that is their acceptable showing phenotype.<br /><br />The commentator @facebook got it almost right in her last sentence at least. Yah, any decent humane person worth their salt should be calling for the banning of the breeding of show bulldogs in their present form. If Im not mistaken that might have happened in some highly enlightened part of Northern Europe already.<br /><br />Denial of the authenticity and the science itself is the default way of trying to continue undisturbed being a qualzucht breeder. This complete and utter insane denial also sounds like the last gasps of a dying breed which sadly is also very comforting.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-62613669863026018442016-09-12T08:14:35.049+01:002016-09-12T08:14:35.049+01:00"we don't get loads of comments on health..."we don't get loads of comments on healthy American Bulldogs, Victorian Bulldogs, etc." That's partly because we have the Classic more bully style Johnson and the Standard/Performance Scott American Bulldogs.<br /><br />If we want to chat about Bulldog breeds we could chat till the cows come home because there is the Banter Bulldogge, Alpha Blue Blood Bulldog, Buldogue Campeiro, CatBull, Old Boston Bulldogge, Olde English Bulldogge, Bonsai Bulldogges, Valley Bulldog, Dorset Old Tyme Bulldogges, Amitola Bulldog, Continental Bulldog, Leavitt Bulldog, Mollett Victorian Bulldog, Larson Lakeview Bulldogge, and there are surely more that I have forgotten. Some of those are mixes and some are intentional working cross that are both good and bad depending on the parents.Dogs Living +Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020471845692733005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58650958894756949682016-09-11T23:39:18.106+01:002016-09-11T23:39:18.106+01:00Perhaps there aren't any healthy (English) Bul...Perhaps there aren't any healthy (English) Bulldogs, except those who have had surgery to correct the physical manifestations of their unfortunate genetics?<br /><br />But if there are (English) Bulldogs who are healthy, then comparing their DNA with that of unhealthy (English) Bulldogs could be a great leap forward in identifying unhealthy genes in dogs, allowing the breeding of (English) Bulldogs to continue, but producing healthy purebred (English) Bulldogs.<br /><br />This would also be a great help to humans afflicted with these problems, so they could get diagnosed and treated better.<br /><br />P.S. I used "(English)" in front of the word "bulldogs" so that we don't get loads of comments on healthy American Bulldogs, Victorian Bulldogs, etc.<br /><br />Since the post said the study, so far, has only DNA from foreign (English) Bulldogs, maybe the non-expat (English) Bulldogs do have a good percentage of healthy individuals? Or is that too much to hope for?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-63731034963658845442016-09-11T16:58:39.617+01:002016-09-11T16:58:39.617+01:00The UC Davis team are being very reasonable on thi...The UC Davis team are being very reasonable on this front, I hope the bulldog breeders work with them and not against them for the sake of the dogs.LDVethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165450420702996456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-53936217861806298242016-09-11T16:19:59.915+01:002016-09-11T16:19:59.915+01:00And I still contend that you cannot create a serio...And I still contend that you cannot create a seriously deformed animal and claim it is healthy simply because it has not died yet. A healthy bulldog is an oxymoron, genetic diversity aside. There might be some that are "healthy for a bulldog" but that is like saying "it is a warm day, for January in Tuktoyaktuk". Any dog built like that is disadvantaged, plain and simple.Fraser Halehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18291591596131705873noreply@blogger.com