tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post2869229344099831215..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Save the Jack Russell... sign the petition!Jemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-44770138702983626712016-12-03T03:19:52.283+00:002016-12-03T03:19:52.283+00:00Everyone seems to have a version they call JRT. Th...Everyone seems to have a version they call JRT. This is the showing worlds version.<br /><br />I don't think the show JRT is built like you describe....least I haven't seen any recently with "a huge head, neck and chest". Im sure it will come, though the same "spanned by two hands" rule applies in the standard.<br /><br />Outside of that pedigree registered showing Australian (mainly) JRT type there are of course all sorts both in Australia and across the world. The influences on these other dogs can be varied, designed for working purposes or not. All generally referred to as JRTs.<br /><br />The showing JRT is not game and less likely to want to go to ground so "den" dog wouldn't be terribly appropriate. But it's also already registered as JRT across the world.<br /><br />Yes there is a drive in the show world to make these slender fine dogs more cobby particularly to increase the depth of the muzzle and size of bone which is a terribly stupid arse thing to do. Besides they also need to scrap the standard as it refers to a hunting dog which this isn't.<br /><br />This is all typical of what happens to show dogs, though. There are working versions in Australia.<br /><br />I honestly don't see the evidence of the use of corgi much, even as pets, corgi is not even a hunting dog. Quite some time ago you got true achondroplastic dwarf JRTs these were a result of using basset, they had big heads crooked queen Ann legs and a relatively large long body. These are rare these days. In fact I never see the type anymore not as pets and never as a working dog. <br /><br />The evidence of the use of the working Teckel wire haired and short these days is far more obvious in body size and shape, certainly as pet dogs as people prefer a smaller dog as they are mostly quite mobile companions. White bodies without stipping, a patch over the tail and head markings preferred. The evidence of Teckel has become diminished over the years in these too as it more closely resembles a little JRT. These are very game little dogs happily ratting at home and absolutely delightful as extreme high energy pets. They also make good working dogs being somewhat more intelligent than all terrier, big hearted and never giving up. The working types are less hefty and relatively higher on the leg, they also lack the massive front often seen with dachshund show dogs . Smooth and broken coats. To me these are every bit a JRT as any other version. A small white game adrenaline junkie terrier with a few patches of brown. Anyone should be more than happy to champion them as JRTs, pet owners and working owners.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-4510707791806408912016-12-02T21:46:03.066+00:002016-12-02T21:46:03.066+00:00Why would you be registering the Australian versio...Why would you be registering the Australian version as a Jack Russell Terrier when it is a recently made up crossbred terrier out of several or more breeds that shares no history or conformation to the terriers that John Russell used? The Australian version has a huge head, neck and chest which shows off its bad conformation which makes it next to useless as a working terrier let alone the type of working terrier used in the west counties where John Russell worked his dogs. A better and more relevant choice of name for the Australian version would have been the "Australian Den Dog".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-15864862690838692542016-01-05T17:17:59.150+00:002016-01-05T17:17:59.150+00:00Yes exactly. Yes exactly. Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-6775575348646997962016-01-04T14:25:12.762+00:002016-01-04T14:25:12.762+00:00Anyone who studies the history of the JR will real...Anyone who studies the history of the JR will realise next to nothing is known about Russell's own dogs which is why there is endless argument and speculation on what is the "right" type. My conclusion is that the term was used from around the beginning of the 20th Century for various mainly white working - type terriers and to distinguish it from the increasingly show- oriented Fox terrier ( which is what Russell's dogs were a type of Fox Terrier).Since the 1970's (not 1870's) people have been trying to standardised certain types which they believe or want to believe are similar to John Russell's dogs. There is documented evidence that John Russell's priority was how the dog did it's work, not how it looked. Rawdon Lee wrote not long after his death that Russell didn't care if a dog had three long legs and one short one.Jack Terrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15261455501272495862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-71740844748656152262015-11-01T06:41:16.565+00:002015-11-01T06:41:16.565+00:00Any reason why this JRT type is called the JRT?
W...Any reason why this JRT type is called the JRT?<br /><br />What is this one then?<br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3137833/Prince-Charles-plays-wife-Camilla-s-Jack-Russell-Bluebell-Dumfries-House-Dog-four-day-Scotland-visit.html<br /><br />Maybe someone should inform these delutional and by the looks of it also extremely happy owners that what they've got is not a breed? <br /><br />What about this one:<br />http://global.britannica.com/animal/Jack-Russell-terrier<br /><br />This lot maybe:<br />http://www.conquestterriers.com/<br /><br />Gang Staff Gi-Gi perhaps??<br />http://www.jacki.pl/43-Gang-Staff-Gi-Gi.html<br /><br />Or even this bunch?<br />http://www.therealjackrussell.com/breed/difference.php<br /><br />Just wondering how they can compare breeds? When they're all the same breed? Giver or take an inch or two here and there whats the dfference? All JRTs<br /><br />Height - Standard for various JRT factions 10-15 inches, 12-14 inches, 8-12 inches, 10-12ideal, 10-12, 10- 12inches<br /><br />This is apparently the reason they are considerd different breeds, notice three have exactly the same measurments even! <br /><br /><br />Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-48000703160976760912015-10-31T22:02:20.968+00:002015-10-31T22:02:20.968+00:00This is the established breed that the KC is recog...This is the established breed that the KC is recognising: <br />http://www.fci.be/Nomenclature/Standards/345g03-en.pdfMarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-69903789732675220162015-10-30T15:01:09.649+00:002015-10-30T15:01:09.649+00:00I notice just how selective you are with you choic...I notice just how selective you are with you choice of pictures of breeds in the 1910/15's compared today, to use just one image to represent a whole breed is a daft thing many of the breeds look (including the ones you chose) look the same, presentation of coat may appear to make them look different but they are not. As for JRT being a healthy breed I always remember Dr Keith Barnett saying that one of the worse breeds for cases of PRA was JRT, care to comment on that one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-88526282114446208702015-10-24T15:59:59.060+01:002015-10-24T15:59:59.060+01:00Just love the British Jack Russell Terier Club, &q...Just love the British Jack Russell Terier Club, "some unscrupulous breeders were crossing breeding their Jack Russell Teriers to produce superior dogs to win at dog shows".<br /> <br />At least they call them superior?!<br /><br />It sounds like dog showing back in 1994 (not that long ago by any means) was 100% better and more interesting under the JRCGB than it is today under the BJRC and even the JRCGB today. To win at dog shows under the British Jack Russell Terier Club you must line breed and inbreed to the winning formula to win at dog shows. The level playing field is ring full of mutant inbreds?<br /><br />Thanks to the BJRTC their JRTs look like the perfect candidates for the British Kennel Club. Purity uber alles. It makes one wonder what the use is of "protecting" an old type of JRT is in fact when by doing so you are destroying the inherent breed characteristics, that of robust genetic health brought about by many many years of tweaking a type for various purposes using other breeds mostly in a diluted way.<br /><br />I reckon they think the JRT fell from the sky the perfect inbred dog. Heavens forbid that the Pastor sullied his beloved Trump with other terrier breeds or types. She just gave forth perfectly formed BJRTC candidates, immaculate conception? <br /><br />You have to laugh at the silliness of it all. All these working dogs were finely tuned on a constant basis with other types, it seems as long as they were a white game terrier of a small size no one gave a damn. And this certainly explains why the JRT is such an incredibly genetically diverse sound breed even today with all of the fractions trying to claim the original that never existed. Only their job criteria existed. If the BJRTC want to create and protect anything original about their dogs they better start tweaking and getting out the old shovel and start surprising a few foxes. Guaranteed the fox will let them know if they've succeeded.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-78621827205697896272015-10-23T17:32:03.051+01:002015-10-23T17:32:03.051+01:00Yes and for all the right reasons it should rightf...<br />Yes and for all the right reasons it should rightfully be heartening (even if it's not possible to be sure of the numbers that truly have the JRT as a whole at heart and not their own agendas for the claim to the name and their single type) that the public care so much. <br />Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1979194871907270322015-10-22T16:44:03.798+01:002015-10-22T16:44:03.798+01:00Just shy of 500, River P... am pleased! Just shy of 500, River P... am pleased! Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-27408592605273844412015-10-22T16:14:21.503+01:002015-10-22T16:14:21.503+01:00Any idea of the number who have signed the petitio...Any idea of the number who have signed the petition against the KC registering the Jack Russell terrier? <br /><br />I'm on the border with Burma and I can't make head nor tail of the site as its all in Thai.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-52742690096050822732015-10-22T15:54:00.956+01:002015-10-22T15:54:00.956+01:00http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18241019 PLL i...http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18241019 PLL in the Jack skipping is one thing blindness another.. KC registration will help Jacks by encouraging and educating people about PLLbestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-43927980297905355882015-10-22T15:13:33.621+01:002015-10-22T15:13:33.621+01:00Mary, that is not evidence or a reference citation...Mary, that is not evidence or a reference citation. Using Google to find other people's opinions on health problems on JR who are not purebred is a lovely example of confirmation bias - using the internet to find quotes and opinions that match your own way of thinking. No pun intended! However, I'd suggest you use google to look that up to understand how your thinking on pedigree dogs is warped. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-12187927755175881182015-10-22T10:07:31.112+01:002015-10-22T10:07:31.112+01:00When I see a judge taking their last crittical loo...When I see a judge taking their last crittical look at a line up at a dog show I immediately know that they are looking at all the wrong things and entirely. <br /><br />BTW in my oppinion what this JRT entering the KC registry should be called, is "The Show JRT" and not just JRT.<br /><br />I would definitely sign that petition.<br /><br />In breeding for perfection in front of a showing judge the dog is being completely compromised. Conformation is only a very small quite insignificant part of the whole.<br /><br />Any extreme deviations in conformation might not be ones to necessarily perpetuate but again it depends on how it all comes together when it counts and I don't mean a short trot up and down a tiny ring. This applies to both working or pet dogs but of course, why shouldn't it apply to show dogs?<br /><br />Breeding for example for a broader muzzel in a show JRT has absolutely no point at all, purely cosmetic, as is breeding only for broken coats. A fluffier cobbler dog taken to the logical showing extremes is where it's dog like function starts becoming compromised not when a slightly straighter hind loses over maybe better angulation. Especially not when the latter might be very well overall compromised in ability and purpose as a dog due to being bred and inbred for one thing alone, looks that conform to the standard as exactly as possible.<br /><br />A "snipey" pretty foxy nose besides being perhaps naturally, perfectly and exquisitely charming, not to mention refined, is just that and also bears no influence on the dogs ability and function as a dog either, why discriminate? It's your gene pool that just gets more and more impoverished by doing so.<br /><br />If I had a mirror that could look into the future what I I think I will be seeing for the Show JRT is going to be a generic Sealyham but without its abilities or function as a dog never mind a working dog. Already the ears appear to be migrating down the side of its head and its bone is getting heavier, not better for being straight, drive is petering out, what next, genetics too?<br /><br />The quickest way to producing yet another inbred show dog. <br /><br />Guaranteed those scissors are already out trying to perfect the perfectly useless model dog.<br /><br />For The Show JRT where ever it's registered at least and if breeders aren't careful the lights may indeed end up going out one by one, but not for the JRT, I'm pretty much convinced of that. <br /><br />Probably a few needless repetitions there but typing and editing on a hand held doesn't work so well for seeing the greater picture, much like breeding, the whole package the animal is what counts.<br />Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-62535165072370321842015-10-22T10:01:50.009+01:002015-10-22T10:01:50.009+01:00It's common in many small dog breeds/types mor...<br />It's common in many small dog breeds/types more so in individuals who also maybe have overly straight hinds. I wouldn't say it's only or particularily a JRT problem though.<br /><br />JRTs are far too variable for it to be so.<br /><br />Here's the thing anyway, affected JRTs with their inherent athleticism and musculature, plus small size are largely able to compensate for this, to an extent it isn't in fact much of a problem at all. Any vet that says otherwise is lying through the teeth. Though more angulation is preferable to pin legs the degree is not critical. Of course any extremes either way could potentially be trouble.<br /><br />The same condition in a large heavy loose dog would mean lameness and certainly more drastic problems including rupture. That's why it is indeed critical in these breeds that they have more muscle tone and athleticism, genetic robustness, which is for example completely lacking in many showing mastiff breeds today. This is why people end up paying thousands in vet bills just to get the dog to walk even though both its parents hold CH titles. In fact it might have held such a title itself! In some "toy" breeds it's also not as critical. Some show Pekingese for example have lovely angulation but it doesn't help them one jot smothered in their own hair and nose tightly pinched shut? Other breeds too, I saw a winning bulldog in the ring that had exceptional angulation, it could pump those hinds like a steam train. Yet the same dog ran out of steam in five minutes and was hastily covered in a wet iced towel the minute it left the ring, its lovely ribbons held aloft by a beaming owner. One minutes intermittent exertion going up and down four meters three times???! Makes you think doesn't it? What use is angulation to that dog? Zero.<br /><br />The show JRT might be judged on angulation of the hinds and straightness in front etc, and other individual details but in fact that's just as dangerously cosmetic as judging bulldogs in a final line up only on angulation. The dog as a whole is way more important. Simply because a dog that has the ability, athletism, musculature and normal drive is able to compensate for slight deviations no problems at all. <br /><br />The danger that the more athletic, sound JRTs disappear is far more important than their slight variations. They represent a far more important gene pool than the Show JRT. Even if some have perfectly dead straight hinds, loaded shoulders and feet going West. There's nothing to be afraid of in slight variation, nothing at all, it in fact allows for preference in the first place but most important it ensures a healthy breed.<br /><br />Continued...Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-51993614802341763912015-10-21T18:53:32.742+01:002015-10-21T18:53:32.742+01:00The famous 'Jack Russell skip' is caused b...The famous 'Jack Russell skip' is caused by their luxating patellae - it's so common in the type that vets refer to it by that name. Owners are often horrified that what they thought was a cute habit was actually caused by their dog being temporarily unable to straighten its leg without pain. <br /><br />Googling 'Jack Russell luxating patella' and 'Jack Russell epilepsy' will bring you plenty of examples for you to follow up.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-52639940380305646442015-10-21T12:22:56.793+01:002015-10-21T12:22:56.793+01:00That's a predictable response Mary. Affraid t...That's a predictable response Mary. Affraid the show JRT's blood is being tainted. Next time you walk down the street see how many bandy legged humans you can count. Maybe they should all be forbidden to breed? Heaven forbid we should all end up looking like jockeys. The tall the short the thin the robust, toes slightly in toes out none should be allowed to breed because we vant a super race? Should we also all be blonde by any chance?Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-16720450743427714322015-10-21T10:47:45.084+01:002015-10-21T10:47:45.084+01:00Um... could we have some data/refs please to suppo...Um... could we have some data/refs please to support your claim that the non-KC-reg'd JRT is "plagued" with luxating patellas and epilepsy?<br /><br />Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-72533155698317863152015-10-21T10:26:40.641+01:002015-10-21T10:26:40.641+01:00The Jack Russell has been a recognised FCI breed f...The Jack Russell has been a recognised FCI breed for a long time. The country of origin is given as 'England' but it was developed in Australia. It looks like a very workmanlike little terrier, and seems to be free of the luxating patellae problem and epilepsy that plagues the type of terrier known as the Jack Russell in the UK, especially the smooth-coated bow-legged ones. I hope the recognition of the established breed will encourage JR producers here in the UK to breed healthier ones.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-29500096767741205772015-10-20T15:31:57.930+01:002015-10-20T15:31:57.930+01:00Yes absolutely and given the low numbers of this s...Yes absolutely and given the low numbers of this showing type JRT in the UK I reckon Geoff Corish believes he will be onto a gold mine.<br /><br />I have to say it's a lovely looking little JRT and would of course do so much better outside of the KCs as what it's meant to be, a wonderful lively and rather game pet and companion, however it's fate might not be quite so sealed with or without the KC. <br /><br />The type will almost certainly enter the wider JRT gene pool in the UK as it has else where, and there be tweaked at will. I reckon it's going to be difficult in the long run to find much that's not influenced by this type given its popularity globally. Already the smooth coated is vanishing in many countries as a result but then some breeders I know for a fact are already going outside the registry to fix that so......long may anarchy reign.<br /><br /><br />Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-77353550859647740582015-10-20T10:19:32.522+01:002015-10-20T10:19:32.522+01:00Once JRTs were in the ownership of professional ha...Once JRTs were in the ownership of professional handlers then the road to recognition was going to be paved with gold. The power and influence of so many wins internationally means that they have pretty well burned out and what better than to be able to show and win with a "newly recognised" breed. In reality these professional handlers could go into the ring with a brush and sweep around the ring, and win, such is their influence. So we will soon see JRTs fluffed up, pulled into whatever position is the most striking, eye catching pose, winning here there and everywhere, and off we go. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03690236990556596997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-7426749852321701552015-10-20T02:10:24.748+01:002015-10-20T02:10:24.748+01:00Oh no no no! The JRT hasn't avoided anything o...Oh no no no! The JRT hasn't avoided anything of the sort and long before the KC or even the FCI, the JRTCA or JRTC GB got involved.<br /><br />It hasn't damaged anything quite like the potential the KCs have for doing so, though.<br /><br />Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58366014099571291872015-10-19T17:13:13.557+01:002015-10-19T17:13:13.557+01:00Signed. Gladly.Signed. Gladly.AmericanLionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10224557937576435963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-79435020821119804362015-10-19T16:19:06.163+01:002015-10-19T16:19:06.163+01:00I completely agreed. Since the death of my own muc...I completely agreed. Since the death of my own much-loved spaniel I have talked to breeders who know the problems with line breeding and would like to do something about it but don't through fear for their livelihoods. If only the KC could recast itself as a force for dog welfare as opposed to a sort of dog cartel things could start to improve.geehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13266432414342015202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-13188242604432731382015-10-19T12:34:53.633+01:002015-10-19T12:34:53.633+01:00They need a pedigree. Im not sure whose pedigree, ...They need a pedigree. Im not sure whose pedigree, I dont have time to read just leaving for the airport, but for registration they need a pedigree. I can ony imagine its their pedigree.<br /><br />Pedigree - A complete pedigree, signed by the breeder. Effective January 1, 1997 a complete four-generation pedigree is required for registration, with five generations preferred if available. Terriers under 10" or over 15" are ineligible for registration or recording with the JRTCA<br /><br />Etc.<br /><br />Its outrageous they cant trade mark a breed type! its not their invention or creation?<br /><br />They are no better or worse than the JRTCGB. Agenda to promote a single pedigree uniform type. That can or cannot work.<br /><br />Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041212020431214852noreply@blogger.com