tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post2466144982421739530..comments2024-03-17T08:06:06.686+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: In defence of a friendJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-55413420357021998412015-07-11T10:44:57.573+01:002015-07-11T10:44:57.573+01:00Oops, did not see this reply to my comments until ...Oops, did not see this reply to my comments until now. Well, better late than never, right?<br />Almost 18 years. The imports I'm talking about are of course the recent ones, from 2006 (Kanze was the first) onwards. You can see some of the info about these: https://nativetibetanterrier.wordpress.com/<br /><br />As for cutting my TTs coat. Yes, he never had a full coat, lived to almost 18, and had the best time ever. The really looong, "beautiful" coat on today's Tibetan Terriers really only ever serves one real function - to get show prizes. I don't go to dog shows with my dogs, they are, to me anyway, for more than a nice longhaired package that is going to win me a stupid medal.Nanookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076176630645335950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-69091593071632566922012-08-21T10:37:56.740+01:002012-08-21T10:37:56.740+01:00THANX2 YOUR WORK AT PDE ,THINGS LIKE THIS WONT HAP...THANX2 YOUR WORK AT PDE ,THINGS LIKE THIS WONT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!<br />WHERE WERE THE ATHOURITIES IN THE KENNEL CLUBS FOR THESE POOR DOGS WELFARE-ONCE AGAIN NOWHERE TO BE SEEN ,SHOCKING !<br /><br />http://www.perrosdehoy.com/noticias/the-woodhaven-files<br /><br />http://www.perrosdehoy.com/noticias/the-odd-coupleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-82499294036268155202012-08-21T10:32:21.684+01:002012-08-21T10:32:21.684+01:00"Unhealthy popular sire is not a designer dog..."Unhealthy popular sire is not a designer dog problem. The boxer breeders in pde2 are an obvious example"<br /><br />Gotta few of them in BORDER TERRIERS too, they also couldnt care less about health ,only the glory and big bucks ,SICKENING B*******s!!!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-39491483400682869952012-08-16T22:59:19.902+01:002012-08-16T22:59:19.902+01:00Rambling on and on about content of the website be...Rambling on and on about content of the website being misleading, well at least someone is trying to get the info out there. Purchasers could be spending hundreds of pounds buying these dogs (and that's just the start) they have a right to be making informed choices and breeders and the Kennel club have duty to make sure that happens........sadly that doesn't appear to always be the case, if it was Carol and the likes of her wouldn't need to bother!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-53933169395080656622012-08-16T20:34:36.013+01:002012-08-16T20:34:36.013+01:00I have nothing but admiration for this lady, she s...I have nothing but admiration for this lady, she strives or should that be thrives in her commitment to doing all she can to improve health and welfare for dogs, how can this be a bad thing? I would think it would be far more beneficial to our beloved best friends if everyone who believed there is inaccurate information on this website did their bit and contributed effectively, not slating those who are trying to make a difference for the better. Well done Carol you are truly one of a kind and Jemima whilst I do not a agree with all your comments, keeping this topic alive is imperative because brushing these issues aside will not benefit the pedigree dog, and kennel club when will you wake up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64113849188280850352012-08-10T04:56:46.898+01:002012-08-10T04:56:46.898+01:00Carol, Thanks for your wonderful site. I'm an ...Carol, Thanks for your wonderful site. I'm an American in the genetics industry and have also been competing in dog sports since the 1970's. I think your site is VERY accurate and so much more thorough than anything being produced by the breed clubs and kennel clubs. It's definitely the site I go to now when looking up breeds or recommending potential breeds to friends. Keep up the great work!S.K.Y.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10394626858056890715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-58830506417637608442012-07-17T03:40:09.522+01:002012-07-17T03:40:09.522+01:00I know alot of breeds have particular problems wit...I know alot of breeds have particular problems with the way they look. But others don't have alot of big problems either. I don't know of any health problems in the bull terrier that is caused by his/her egg shaped head. I am aware the bull terrier has a rather short life span. But with that said I personally feel the dogs that have big breathing problems or have massive back problems and etc; should be looked at. I really don't think that the bull terriers breed standard doesn't necessarily need to be changed. Unless if there is serious health problems due to the breed standard. The same goes towards the other dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-49586316856191106502012-07-14T21:47:23.132+01:002012-07-14T21:47:23.132+01:00Nanook I think you should say how longyouhave had ...Nanook I think you should say how longyouhave had TTs, which recent native imports are you atlking about? the ones in the 70s or the 50s or the ones in recent eimes? as for cuttingther hair, I wonder if yours has a bad head (there are many with snipey heads and not correct) a well balanced head whould NEVER nead hair cutting. Either way I see Ms Fowlers site still hasnt been updated, so i think it proves why som any have said not to trust it! I think Nanook last comment really shows how much they care about a breed when they say "we regularly trim his coat, it's much easier for him and for US" yeah its to suit you not to groom a coat I suspect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-35739946432303985562012-07-14T04:55:20.787+01:002012-07-14T04:55:20.787+01:00Unhealthy popular sire is not a designer dog probl...Unhealthy popular sire is not a designer dog problem. The boxer breeders in pde2 are an obvious example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-83361290041016683252012-07-14T01:03:38.733+01:002012-07-14T01:03:38.733+01:00Some doodle breeders are not doing it randomly. Th...Some doodle breeders are not doing it randomly. They are breeding continues using one or two stud dogs. Untested these dogs have progency all over GB. It is easy to work out why PRA is on an increase and it should be mentionedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-30810649558986898942012-07-13T04:07:03.754+01:002012-07-13T04:07:03.754+01:00"In fact PRA which was once thought be be ver..."In fact PRA which was once thought be be very rare (due to the introduction of DNA testing) within purebred labs and poodles, is now making a reappearance in the offspring of poodle lab crosses"<br /><br />Your purebred labs and poodles have to be at least carriers in order for the F1s to be affected. How rare can it be if random crossing of poodles and labs can regularly throw out PRA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-81757700345551535112012-07-12T18:16:55.615+01:002012-07-12T18:16:55.615+01:00"She somehow fails to mention that if you cro..."She somehow fails to mention that if you cross 2 breeds with similar or the same problems the puppies will be just as likely to be affected by the problems as the parents!" <br /><br />. . . Same, then, as if you breed two problematic purebreds of the same breed. That is not rocket science is it?<br /><br />The sight also DOES caution about health in first gen crosses. Did you miss it?<br /><br />"Designer breeds may not benefit when a disorder is not caused by a single recessive gene. It may be caused by a number of genes acting together, or by a dominant gene (which a puppy would only need to inherit from one of its parents)."<br /><br />KaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-69248334580602478762012-07-12T16:18:05.189+01:002012-07-12T16:18:05.189+01:00I haven't owned a BSD but I did walk one for a...I haven't owned a BSD but I did walk one for a friend that owned one. He was a malinois with a high prey drive and I stand by what I said about. As with Border Collies, they are herding dogs at heart. It doesnt matter how much you try to breed this out of them and make them pets...they're not pets...and you are doing them a disservice by trying to turn them into pets and selling them to families as the perfect family dog.<br /><br />At the end of the day it is up to you who you sell your puppies to but I think you are really taking a chance selling a BSD to a family with children who have little experience of the breed. I am not talking about people who know the breed...I am talking about a normal, everyday family who want a pet, who have a busy family life and who will probably not have the time or knowledge to deal with a high energy working dog. I will not back down on that. They are not family pets.<br /><br />The police dogs I have seen are malinois too..never seen any of the others but I think there are some in Germany.Annie Macfarlanenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-39012700569029426672012-07-08T04:29:01.765+01:002012-07-08T04:29:01.765+01:00Her information on Designer cross breeds is also f...Her information on Designer cross breeds is also far from complete. <br /><br />She somehow fails to mention that if you cross 2 breeds with similar or the same problems the puppies will be just as likely to be affected by the problems as the parents! For example labradors and poodles , one of the most popular crosses are both predisposed to the SAME type of PRA, hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia and atopy. <br /><br />That means labradoodle puppies may also be affected by PRA, bad hips, bad elbows and atopy. In fact PRA which was once thought be be very rare (due to the introduction of DNA testing) within purebred labs and poodles, is now making a reappearance in the offspring of poodle lab crosses (due to irresponsible people breeding for profit). <br />We commonly see labradoodles affected badly by atopy as not only are both parent breeds predisposed, the resultant coat type hold moisture and knots more easily than their pure parents, even further predisposing to skin disease and exacerbating existing allergies. <br /><br />As with any dogs, the health and temperament testing of parents is paramount in choosing a puppy. The supposed/potential "hybrid vigour" in an F1 crossbred cannot replace health and temperament testing of potential breeding dogs. I think the website should emphasise that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-22659652271386500582012-07-08T04:18:56.692+01:002012-07-08T04:18:56.692+01:00I also agree that further research is needed. I ha...I also agree that further research is needed. I have seen that a number of important conditions for certain breeds have been omitted somehow? <br />Eg. GDV (bloat or twisted stomach) in Labradors is not even mentioned? Although all deep chested breeds are predisposed, the labs greediness certainly makes GDV a significant risk for them. The lab from Marley and me actually dies from this and we would see many labs per year with GDV where I work...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-83172656400092828602012-07-08T04:13:41.829+01:002012-07-08T04:13:41.829+01:00A good effort overall, obviously a lot of time and...A good effort overall, obviously a lot of time and effort has gone into producing this. Certainly there is room for further improvement and research, but I think this website has the potential to be great. <br /><br />I would like to see diseases for each breed classified along the lines of the following:<br /><br />Problems commonly affecting the breed<br /><br />Problems reported in the breed<br /><br />Problems specific to the breed (eg EIC in labradors, ammonium biurate urolithiasis in Dalmation etc) <br /><br />Important tests for the breed eg. DNA testing for PRA, EIC, Hip/elbow scoring etc<br /><br />I'd also prefer some aspects to be a little more specific. For example in my breed (the Labrador Retriever) "Cancer" is listed, however surely Cancer would potentially affect any dog. I would like to see more specific "cancers" like Mast cell tumour, Osteosarc etc (for labs) that are directly relevant and more prevalent within a breed<br /><br />Some of the diseases are very rare in any dogs, yet the website makes it sound like the breed is badly affected, hence the category for "problems reported in the breed". <br /><br />But again, a good effort, I guess I am just being a perfectionist, I commend Carol for her efforts so far!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-39143887116307063202012-07-07T07:48:03.246+01:002012-07-07T07:48:03.246+01:00Are those dogs that are claimned top be "Kenn...Are those dogs that are claimned top be "Kennel Club Registered" actually registered? <br /><br />Perhaps the Kennel club shopuld only register litters from <br />Breeders who are licenced ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-13046577969011992322012-07-06T22:11:58.091+01:002012-07-06T22:11:58.091+01:00I've been reading this blog since it began, ho...I've been reading this blog since it began, hoping to learn about things from the pedigree breeder's perspective. My name is Linda Goodman and I am the founder of C.A.R.I.A.D. - which for those of you who have never heard of us stands for Care And Respect Includes All Dogs. We are a Coalition of 29 dog charities, rescues and welfare groups across Wales fighting to end the vile industry known as puppy farming. At the moment we focus our attentions on promoting the adoption of rescue dogs over choosing puppies from dubious sources such as pet shops and online classifieds which invariably are involved in the puppy farming chain. And don't for one moment underestimate the sophistication of this network. It is extremely comprehensive and clever at purporting to represent pedigree dogs. Our aim is to one day be able to have a list of reputable pedigree breeders that people can turn to for sound, healthy, well adjusted puppies. But at present to be honest, there is so much squabbling about breed standards that I wouldn't know where to start. What I will tell you is that I have to deal with members of the public who have been scammed by puppy farmers and have bought dogs that are 'KC registered' only to find that they have bought puppies with such horrendous genetic abnormalities they only live a few weeks or months. Right now there are approximately 50,000 puppies being trafficked out of Wales into England every year. While at the same time a healthy, loving pedigree dog is killed in a UK pound every hour of every day because people are abandoning their dogs in greater numbers than has ever been seen before. The fight to end this trade in misery is relentless and dogged by corruption in places of authority in Wales and laws that allow it to continue unabated. These puppies are genetically challenged because of extremes in inbreeding by Welsh puppy farmers. Something that even the KC now recognises is unhealthy. But the people buying these puppies often then breed from them as well, perpetuating these genetic mutations. You don't have to be an expert to understand that the quality of the UK dog population is being enormously damaged by the sheer volumes of unhealthy puppies this industry is flooding the market with. These are the people you should be using all this negative energy to fight against - collectively. These are the people who are damaging breed standards en mass. And these are the people that your average man in the street continues to turn to, despite all the warnings, instead of going to reputable breeders. The greatest service you can do for your own breed is to help stop the battery farming of dogs now. By all means debate breed standards. I completely support those who are dedicated to producing healthy puppies that are not bred for extremes in their conformity so that they can live active and comfortable lives. Debate this constructively and help each other. Work together for the good of the dogs. Opinions will differ naturally, but there is nothing constructive about bitching. Try to take off the blinkers about your own breeds and look at things from the outside. You may find that you're not always right. It takes a big person to admit that even an expert has room for improvement. Please at least give this some thought. The common enemy isn't the other pedigree breeder. It's ignorance, apathy, ego and above all...it's the battery puppy farmer.Linda Goodmanhttp://www.cariadcampaign.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-3102213507258945762012-07-03T12:33:05.954+01:002012-07-03T12:33:05.954+01:00Ann, how is the general public supposed to know up...Ann, how is the general public supposed to know upon purchasing a puppy, whether that breed club is upfront and honest about health problems, or downplays them? If you show a breed, or are otherwise heavily involved, then you will probably know which breeders care about breeding healthy stock and which don't. The average puppy buyer does not have this 'inside' information, therefore they have to go elsewhere. <br /><br />Breed forums are actually quite useful - it doesn't take too long to ascertain which breeders care deeply about health testing and breeding healthy stock, and those which only pay lip service to it.Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-56613487411725235122012-07-03T12:22:54.254+01:002012-07-03T12:22:54.254+01:00Is there something akin to the USA-based Embrace P...Is there something akin to the USA-based Embrace Pet Insurance website which Carol could mine? It lists all the diseases and associated veterinary fees for each breed, based on their own insurance figures. http://www.embracepetinsurance.com/health/italian-greyhound.aspxFrannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-35767087863340072412012-07-03T11:41:47.491+01:002012-07-03T11:41:47.491+01:00Brilliantly said, Dalriach.
I feel for Carol, to...Brilliantly said, Dalriach. <br /><br />I feel for Carol, to slog at something for months on end and then get nothing but criticism. She is, after all, trying to be accurate - she's not trying to spread misinformation. <br /><br />As the KC contacted all the health co-ordinators though, the data must be up-to-date, because I'm sure they all rushed to give her all the information she needed...Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-42142965960523019532012-07-03T09:35:44.962+01:002012-07-03T09:35:44.962+01:00When Carol started her website, I also thought it ...When Carol started her website, I also thought it was a wonderful idea and that it would be a great resource . And knowing what she had done for Cavaliers, it would be hard to think of anybody more committed to the idea of an honest and open approach to dog health. A couple of years later, I have some doubts about whether it is possible for one person to achieve what Carol set out to do.<br />Where should she get her information? She started the website partly because breeders and breed clubs were not providing all the information that was needed. So why should anybody expect that the same clubs and breed health , are going to give it to Carol to put on hers? From other primary sources or researchers? The trouble is that as fast as new data is published , it does out of date so quickly. Books like Gough and Thomas have been published on canine genetic diseases but what they list is both incomplete and out of date very quickly. The Kennel Club? The KC only keeps data on a few testable conditions, which doesnt include some very serious conditions like epilepsy and bloat. From individual breeders who are willing to help Carol? Some ARE very knowledgable, but none are likely to have exact and reliable numerical data on the incidence of a particular problem in their breed , they can say things like "there is a lot of epilepsy or bloat or MO" or whatever in their breed , but they cant put an actual figure on it. And individual breeders have their own agendas and subjective opinions<br />Surveys of health in dog breeds are notoriously unreliable, and generally represent only a small minority of breeders who are members of a breed club, who may or may not be willing to tell the truth<br />So somebody with a project like Carol has to take information from a multitude of sources , with varying reliability. How on earth can ONE person working on their own be expected to stay on top of ALL the known or suspected problems in around 200 breeds? And keep up to date with new research and information? Probably only the Kennel Club, or possibly a team at the AHT, could find the resources to do the job , and they would have to be motivated to do it thoroughly and honestly and without agendas or bias creeping in. <br />Meanwhile Carol struggles with a near impossible task. Good for her, and great if as many breeders and breed clubs as possible are willing to feed reliable data to her. But please dont expect wonders - or criticise if the data she has got isnt entirely reliable or complete. But maybe she is paving the way for a bigger, better and properly funded project run by a body like the Kennel Club, or the AHT or the BVA or a university veterinary schooldalriachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8308298420909073102012-07-03T08:12:19.142+01:002012-07-03T08:12:19.142+01:00Jemima, that was my point. If I was thinking of bu...Jemima, that was my point. If I was thinking of buying a Cavalier, I would want to know that up to 75% of the breed is affected by syringomyelia! I couldn't find this information on their website. They probably don't put it on, because they know that for the average pet owner, those kinds of risks are just too high.Frannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-25738432353554120362012-07-03T07:02:07.188+01:002012-07-03T07:02:07.188+01:00Have you owned a bsd? A simple yes or no will suff...Have you owned a bsd? A simple yes or no will suffice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-87541076024323994612012-07-03T03:16:15.773+01:002012-07-03T03:16:15.773+01:00Anon 13:31 My opinion is based on many years of be...Anon 13:31 My opinion is based on many years of being a pet dog trainer and of being involved in Rescue for herding breeds.Beth F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05538095242261473639noreply@blogger.com