tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post2086505843700175913..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: Neapolitan Mastiffs? Better. But...Jemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-43868837295663273262015-05-30T20:09:03.073+01:002015-05-30T20:09:03.073+01:00Well said Anonymous!!Well said Anonymous!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8777376513396334772013-07-24T12:42:57.617+01:002013-07-24T12:42:57.617+01:00I would like to say that I am glad that this breed...I would like to say that I am glad that this breed is available in the states. I love these breeds, actually I love Mastif's, Great Dane's, Rotweiler's and Pitbull's. They are such dedicated and loyal dogs. They are the biggest teddy bears ever. I get upset when people put these breeds in a catagory of vicious dogs and they are blacklisted. The breeds are all good, its the owner that makes them vicious. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-53771576397860482762013-03-19T11:08:29.714+00:002013-03-19T11:08:29.714+00:00Hey Jemima, Just re-read your intro where you say ...Hey Jemima, Just re-read your intro where you say you were filming. Does that mean we can expect a PDE 3? Please say yes?<br /><br />CarolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-70164747341522913302013-03-13T22:58:25.129+00:002013-03-13T22:58:25.129+00:00Personally, I'd rather hear more about tempera...Personally, I'd rather hear more about temperament and less about ectopian. Would the leading mastinos, in the wrong situation, have done the same as the Bull Mastiffs, discussed recently in this blog? If seriously large dogs have guardian-type temperament, I think this needs to be appropriately labelled and dealt with (including fencing that can't be compromised by vandalism) . . . and if seriously large dogs have had the guardian temperament bred out of them, I think this should be advertized and applauded.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389321571689128858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-75098588949618625002013-03-13T22:25:13.034+00:002013-03-13T22:25:13.034+00:00A working mastino is meant to be a guard dog, prot...A working mastino is meant to be a guard dog, protection dog, that sort of thing. That means it has to have healthy working organs, low-maintenance skin, athletic with good stamina - a regular mastiff, just of the local Neapolitan variant. For the sake of efficiency in both movement and bodily function, there should be no extras and no exaggerations on the dog. No extra skin, no more heavy bone than necessary, nothing to weigh the dog down.<br />This is the kind of dog the standard is meant to describe: http://blogg.digenia.se/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/mastino_napoletano_guaglione.jpgEllamennohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02715918702655677283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-39350423429736073902013-03-13T19:56:35.608+00:002013-03-13T19:56:35.608+00:00Hi Anon 8:05 Sorry .. have not a clue what she loo... Hi Anon 8:05 Sorry .. have not a clue what she looks like. There is no photo that I can see on this page.. but even so as we often see here a photo is no substitute for the real thing and "public photos" are often touched up or modified I will say this, I asked several people to point her out so that we could meet. No one could.<br />I did not say Mastinos "need improving" I wrote:<br /> "I had a great time speaking with some of the breeders ringside as well as others who all agreed that the breed looks much improved."<br />I am not a Mastino breeder nor a vet so I would not take it upon myself to comment on any of the breeds that "need improving" according to the masses that post here who judge by photos that are taken with a single purpose in mind.<br />Want to talk Bull Terriers.. sure.. will do.. ad infinitum..bestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-18646564323154650152013-03-13T19:41:52.607+00:002013-03-13T19:41:52.607+00:00well I would say that trained veterinarians are th...well I would say that trained veterinarians are the experts wouldn't you ..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-14089863919913561122013-03-13T17:55:43.242+00:002013-03-13T17:55:43.242+00:00First I have a pet mastino. Iv been in the breed f...First I have a pet mastino. Iv been in the breed for just over 10yrs and I'm still learning bout these dogs. People like mr mrs platt are going in the right way doing health testing. Some people you've been in the breed 5 mins think they know it all an no nothing. You can't change these dogs over night but by health testing an ONLY breeding from GOOD dog an not cause you have one in the kennel, can this breed move forward. It would be nice to see more people in the breed doing testing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-65951739299706870162013-03-13T16:53:35.268+00:002013-03-13T16:53:35.268+00:00That dog should never have passed; it looks freaki...That dog should never have passed; it looks freakish and unhappy. Who in thier right minds thought that dog looked in any way ok?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-67173982447134448582013-03-13T10:48:18.515+00:002013-03-13T10:48:18.515+00:00yes beth, this is 1 of the reasons we are healt...yes beth, this is 1 of the reasons we are health testing, everyone wants a healthy happy dog including us with our mastino, we want them to live into double figures, im not sure if you have ever been around/touched a mastino but there skin is not addered to there flesh there for giving the looseness of it. we imported a male a few years ago of heavy type and as heavy as he was in his head type,he help us greatly with the eyes in our dogs.<br />its going to be a long process with the breed but there are a slect few of us that are moving forward, i just wish that more would follow, but rome was not built in a day...seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-16816967168874764072013-03-13T10:02:36.381+00:002013-03-13T10:02:36.381+00:00this is all rearing its ugly head again - if the b...this is all rearing its ugly head again - if the breeders that you all speak of have improved the breed - who originally bred the "mutants" that we have seen - the neo breeders are a small net of people - who have now had to sit up and look at the mess that they have made to the health and looks of this magnificent breed - the health testing is the right direction but there are alot who still dont do this and will still breed from unhealthy dogs - this is all about moneyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-64652318459151062202013-03-13T08:05:51.586+00:002013-03-13T08:05:51.586+00:00Hi Jan. You know exactly what Jemima looks like, b...Hi Jan. You know exactly what Jemima looks like, because you haunt this blog, which has Jemima's photo all over it.<br /><br />So glad that you finally agree that this breed needed improving. I would love to hear what other breeds you also think need improving.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-46295993403572861882013-03-13T07:51:11.516+00:002013-03-13T07:51:11.516+00:00Lol, seems that these mastiffs are the definition ...Lol, seems that these mastiffs are the definition of what breed they are according to dog shows, with flappy excess skin and red infected eyes.SkyArkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07170935191941257380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-467569674342281372013-03-13T03:04:12.719+00:002013-03-13T03:04:12.719+00:00"Much improved" compared to when? Before..."Much improved" compared to when? Before vet checks? Before PDE? Did the improvements happen because of public pressure or would they have happened anyway? If I compare the year by year difference back to pre-vet checks and pre-PDE, will I see consistent improvements through the years or did something happen that forced a change? If the improvements happened because of public pressure, why would Jemima ease up on the pressure. "Headed in the right direction" suggests that you acknowledge they are just getting started and have a long way to go. Are we supposed to praise these breeders for not doing the wrong thing anymore.<br /><br />Rome was already partially built, and breeders chipped away at them. Now they are only slowly putting back the broken pieces, and we are supposed to give them a break because they are heading in the right direction? Give me a break.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-30515466846796031402013-03-13T01:12:37.829+00:002013-03-13T01:12:37.829+00:00I would have but I have no idea what you look like...I would have but I have no idea what you look like. I have never claimed to know anything about Mastinos and would not take it upon myself to comment.. unlike some others. If you cared to discuss Bull Terriers ( "modern" or otherwise)you could have asked anyone at the Bull Terrier ring and they would have pointed me out but no matter we were happy to take home the bitch CC in a fierce competition of lovely Bull Terriers. The dogs were wonderful as well.<br />At the Mastino ring, I found that the breeders were caring and concerned about their dogs. Did you find it to be a different story? As for your comment "will not age well" .. it is just these types of comments that make people who care about dogs know that you are only in this to inflame and criticize. You really have no knowledge abut whether this dog will 'age well " or not,<br />bestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-20827899608166365292013-03-13T01:11:05.197+00:002013-03-13T01:11:05.197+00:00Hi Sean, I don't know if you are still checkin...Hi Sean, I don't know if you are still checking comments or not. If yours is the kennel linked above, I am impressed with the direction you are moving (your younger dogs seem much less extreme than some of the older ones). <br /><br />I realize this is a delicate question, and I know how much we miss every dog we ever lose, but I could not help but notice the tragically young age at which some of yours went on to the great dog park in the sky.... <br /><br />I know that in people, conditions which cause connective tissue disorders can cause stretchy (though not excessive) skin and can also cause lax joints, and in some cases can also effect the heart and some other organs.<br /><br />Is it possible that in selecting for the huge amounts of excessive skin, Mastino breeders have brought along some of the other problems that impact the breed on the same genetic material? In other words, might the other health problems in some cases be directly tied to the skin issue? <br /><br />If that were the case, it would be impossible to breed for healthier Mastinos without directly selecting for dogs with more typical skin types (some small amount of excess to allow for reduced injury in a fight, but not so many folds hanging off their front ends). <br /><br />I'm sorry if it's a painful subject; I'm sure you miss your dogs who left too soon very much.Bethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-84691598977311265412013-03-12T21:55:24.888+00:002013-03-12T21:55:24.888+00:00Bit uncalled for . Many of us keep more than one b...Bit uncalled for . Many of us keep more than one breed over the years and judge more than one breed, or have an interest in more than one breed.Oh , sorry , just like you being an 'expert' across the board.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-25756145077598315082013-03-12T21:35:02.559+00:002013-03-12T21:35:02.559+00:00Is the dog advisory panel looking at this vet chec...Is the dog advisory panel looking at this vet check scheme?Should not the vets who do the checking be accredited and picked by BVA thus giving the scheme some transparency.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-90642943277383748412013-03-12T19:29:46.510+00:002013-03-12T19:29:46.510+00:00You should have come and said hello, Jan.
We coul...You should have come and said hello, Jan.<br /><br />We could have discussed how, as a breeder and judge of the modern Bull Terrier, you assess the head anatomy of the Neapolitan Mastiff.<br /><br />JemimaJemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-8545213898986815412013-03-12T19:15:23.784+00:002013-03-12T19:15:23.784+00:00Jemima you flatter yourself. I was with Bill Lambe...Jemima you flatter yourself. I was with Bill Lambert from the KC at the time of Mastino judging. I asked him to go with me to see the Mastinos. He told me he would meet me there so I went to the ring. Bill came much later hardly "running". The dogs were lovely and I had a great time speaking with some of the breeders ringside as well as others who all agreed that the breed looks much improved. You are right about one thing. The coats were gleaming. These breeders are headed in the right direction but like all things Rome was not built in a day or even in a generation no matter how much you would prefer it to be different. Good for the breeders of these Mastinos.bestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-41827972199927384112013-03-12T18:55:51.777+00:002013-03-12T18:55:51.777+00:00To answer your question Jemima; with my novice eye...To answer your question Jemima; with my novice eyes I don't like the look of this dog's eyes (being used to thight eyelids in my own dogs). But I cannont judge wether or not it has an infection going on that the picture won't show. <br /><br />And to all of you that think "working lines" automatically means a healthier dog, it doesn't. At least not in my breed (which doesn't have an extreme conformation in either direction). In my breed the show lines are more carefully monitored when it comes to health, they are more frequently health screened and more breeders are more open about problems when there is one. <br />While a lot of the working line breeders live under the notion that a dog that works cannot possibly have anything wrong with it. Which simply isn't true. <br />Personally I like a moderate show dog or mixed line dog who are able to do breed typical work. Anitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-50782113164075243582013-03-12T18:54:01.254+00:002013-03-12T18:54:01.254+00:00calling them vet checks is extremely misleading, i...calling them vet checks is extremely misleading, it's nothing of the sort, just an adjudication, disgraceful!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-50383862928472870932013-03-12T18:51:56.796+00:002013-03-12T18:51:56.796+00:00Who are those experts you are referring to, Anonym...Who are those experts you are referring to, Anonymous? Spill.Catherinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-1789733107609381252013-03-12T18:51:11.275+00:002013-03-12T18:51:11.275+00:00Indeed seabrooks! Shall we say for example sheep ...Indeed seabrooks! Shall we say for example sheep shows, these are usually pre sale but we see them at three counties, royal welsh etc, if any animal doesn't pass vet inspection it is prohibited from being shown, vets are very thorough there, even if there is a slight scab on the ear tag it will be rejected (remember its a legal requirement to have tags and as they are not pets can often rub them or get them caught) any conformational issue will be rejected time and time again and therefore never fit for any breeding programme, this makes a very clear statement one would assume things ought to be just the same for dogs..........still flabbergasted, and very disappointingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-69723608724245452582013-03-12T18:50:43.527+00:002013-03-12T18:50:43.527+00:00I saw this dog too and is unbelievably a champion ...I saw this dog too and is unbelievably a champion in his own country. I hope now he placed last in his class, everyone will understand you cannot bring a dog with a big health defect to UK and expect to win dog shows, champion or not. I saw Champions go out in other breeds too. Times have changed and its not acceptable. All the UK Neapolitan Mastiff exhibitors I spoke to were dismayed by this dogs presence and said they wanted to show progression and were afraid that dog would be used to show nothing had changed when he wasnt even from here. The judge was kind not to exclude him, but I hope his placing gets the message across. Apart from him, I thought the rest were pretty good and the winning dog and bitch as strong as the winners from the other working breeds I saw. So give credit where its due. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com