tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post1201931000051594604..comments2024-03-20T17:32:35.238+00:00Comments on Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: WARNING: Don't buy into the 'designer' Bulldog bullshitJemima Harrisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-21156540851449028942021-06-03T01:13:24.665+01:002021-06-03T01:13:24.665+01:00One option would be to make breeders responsible f...One option would be to make breeders responsible for all vet bills for the first 3 years of the lives of any puppy they produce with the exception of accidents and routine vet checks/vaccinations. That way, any breeder that regularly churns out puppies that break down within that time frame will find their venture more expensive than its worth. This would also have the added bonus of effecting puppy mills, possibly even completely eliminating them, and ensuring that any breeder would DNA test their dogs for any nasty recessives common to the breed.Skyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845305990983021847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-57960705834120339492021-06-03T00:55:49.365+01:002021-06-03T00:55:49.365+01:00Qualzucht is qualzucht. Just because they've m...Qualzucht is qualzucht. Just because they've managed to make something awful even worse, it doesn't make the original any better. Neither one should exist. But they do, because some nasty breeders can't leave 'well enough' alone.Skyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845305990983021847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-75738458037727068702018-03-16T14:32:35.634+00:002018-03-16T14:32:35.634+00:00Please. Changing judging standards to require full...Please. Changing judging standards to require fully open nares and a short but functional muzzle won't make any brachy breed "unrecognizable". It'll just restore the phenotype that was prevalent before conformation shows started rewarding over-typey specimens in the judging ring. IOW, it'll restore breeds to their "original working types". How could any group concerned with "preserving" breeds object to that?<br /><br />If the resulting dogs truly are unrecognizable to modern eyes, then you need to accept that kennel clubs are the cause of major and detrimental changes in many dog breeds. Astrin Ymrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161302534935273886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-35808199643970013232018-03-15T23:13:49.247+00:002018-03-15T23:13:49.247+00:00"The standards can easily be changed"
N..."The standards can easily be changed"<br /><br />Not so, when then the 'standards' represent the only Dogs 'recognised' by the K.Cs. Change the form/standards and the dogs become something unrecognisable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-47746682952103394952018-03-04T21:07:15.202+00:002018-03-04T21:07:15.202+00:00I have good news from Finland!
We are preparing ...I have good news from Finland! <br /><br />We are preparing a new animal welfare law which, besides many other things, highlights life quality of existing - and future! - purebred dogs. I read from journal called Koiramme (Our Dogs), which is published by Finnish Kennel CLub, that new law will significantly effect dog breeding. Vetenarian, who was interviewed for the topic even told, that "Practically their [brachycephalic breeds'] health is so bad, that even mimimum standard for lawful breeding will hardly be met." (Koiramme, 2018/1. pg. 28-32)<br /><br />And this claim was published, in Kennel Club's own journal!<br /><br />Also, you and your document was (of course) mentioned in the article. <br /><br />Things change slowly, but soon there will be one more country, where qualzucht is simply, purely illegal.GGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04944315504864106585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-15556095697659132462018-02-08T07:13:37.709+00:002018-02-08T07:13:37.709+00:00Seeing eye dogs in Australia use a few breeds incl...Seeing eye dogs in Australia use a few breeds including Labradors, Goldens and their crosses. Importantly they may use cross breeds, not necessarily pure breeds. Focus on capability and a little on physical appearance - a rough looking dog will be less likely to be welcomed on a public bus than a soft Labrador like dog.<br /><br /><br />https://seda.visionaustralia.org/seeing-eye-dogs/seeing-eye-dog-program/breeding-program<br /><br /><br />Don't forget farmers all over Australia. They care a lot less on papers than they do on workability, tenaciousness and drive. Kelpies, Collies and Australian Cattle Dogs dominate yes indeed, but you'll find that the focus is on their skill set and not their papers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-46441128255064376562018-02-02T22:57:23.099+00:002018-02-02T22:57:23.099+00:00A trap too easy to fall into, where all dog breed...A trap too easy to fall into, where all dog breeders end up discredited if there is no org. to unite breeders under common purpose.<br /> Where good practices are recognised for the value they bring to dogs.<br />Its not the environment a person practices breeding IN, but the response they bring to that environment to overcome its limitations. <br /><br />The K.Cs promote the idea that the value is in the environment. <br /><br />That will be very hard to overcome until purpose and value gains recognition in ALL dog breeding environments. <br />So far there is not the organisation to achieve that.<br /><br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-80011854950140469162018-02-02T16:24:11.528+00:002018-02-02T16:24:11.528+00:00Judges can withhold the placing if they see fit. U...Judges can withhold the placing if they see fit. Unfortunately not as often as they should, probably because the childish outbursts that would ensue. Like the WFT handler I witnessed throwing his 2nd place ribbon in the rubbish in the middle of a tantrum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-40267655316061556232018-01-29T13:11:09.600+00:002018-01-29T13:11:09.600+00:00Super reply, Anon... Really good points. Thank you...Super reply, Anon... Really good points. Thank you.Jemima Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05092892697145388048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-84160462595080197892018-01-29T12:48:31.606+00:002018-01-29T12:48:31.606+00:00Astrin,
I don't know the situation overseas,...Astrin, <br /><br />I don't know the situation overseas, but here in Australia there are greater effects than just pedigree health at work.<br /><br />The push to eliminate dog breeding in any environment other than the K.cs has seen a steady rise in legislation to govern discredited breeding environments. Specifically BYBers. With ever more strict and standardized conditions and licensing conditions to be met.<br /><br />This is creating a situation where to breed, you pretty much have to have a lot of money invested in licensing, approval,inspections, Education courses, return policies,facilities etc etc. The end result of all this is to drive dog breeding practices out of community hands and into commercial set ups. licensed and heavily regulated breeding 'farms'.<br /><br /> So we are becoming locked in to feeding a different machine that may be just as bad, though in other ways. <br /><br />Dog won't be selected for any enhanced responses to specific environments, but more for lack of response to varied environments. leading to even lower expectations among the public of what dogs can offer, and their own responsibilities to seek or achieve possibilities.<br /><br />Its not enough to stop feeding the K.C machine. Not if we are going to replace it with another machine that will be much more effective at directing our expectations of we want or get. Commodification.<br /><br />I think before we convince people not to feed that machine, we need away to promote a healthy alternative and so far there isn't one with a strong enough voice AND the product that then 'speaks for itself'.<br /><br />You need demonstrations 1st, of dogs bred to exceed what people have come to expect. To provide a clear alternative direction and understanding of greater possibilities. <br />I don't think any non pedigree breeder org. has yet to encourage breeders to breed for specific purpose or environments. <br />And I am sure there needs to be one to promote those breeders who do before people can recognize there are alternatives that offer any more.<br /><br />In short, I think the problem here is less about discrediting the K.Cs, and more about finding ways to show where its more deserved. Finding ways to promote dogs bred less for a look than how well they respond to the diverse environments we offer. <br />You 1st need an organization promoting breeding dogs with purpose and value. For their possibilities, and our responsibilities to achieve them as its mission statement.<br />Create an environment that promotes that ideal for all breeders and you will have your movement. <br />With out it, there nothing driving anything better than what people have come to expect of dogs or breeders. <br />For the average citizen, thats not much. So it makes little difference who they support.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-9957260680467967392018-01-29T05:59:23.375+00:002018-01-29T05:59:23.375+00:00In theory... but in practice, insurance companies ...In theory... but in practice, insurance companies exist to make money for their shareholders, and as long as breeders and puppy-purchasers are willing to pay an increased price for the privilege of owning a brachy breed, they're going to keep selling them insurance, albeit at a markup.<br /><br />Pasing out free copies of Kim Kavin's 'The Dog Merchants' and DVDs of Jemima's PDE videos at KC and AKC dog shows may be our best bet. We aren't going to change the opinions of the deeply indoctrinated, but if we can influence a significant segment of the puppy-buying population to stop feeding the machine, then confirmation show breeders will have to adapt to market demand or declare bankruptcy.<br /><br />Jemima, is this feasible? I don't know the legalities involved here.Astrin Ymrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161302534935273886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-49587682453274317532018-01-27T09:38:11.420+00:002018-01-27T09:38:11.420+00:00Perhaps if insurance companies either refused to i...Perhaps if insurance companies either refused to insure the dogs on the grounds that it's unprofitable, or put the premiums prohibitively high, those idiots buying deformed and unhealthy dogs will find out how expensive it is to fix the many problems they have. <br />The high cost of a pup leads to too many people trying to recoup the cost and make a b it of cash by breeding a litter.fennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08864252159787503052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-83466861939482364822018-01-26T00:09:26.516+00:002018-01-26T00:09:26.516+00:00This explains why change is so hard to implement.....This explains why change is so hard to implement....It goes against the identity set up at inception of the K.Cs.<br /><br />This is, literally,a culture that does not 'recognize' DOGS as the species they are with a valid niche in their native environment.<br /> <br />They recognize the conditions imposed by the K.Cs on their membership as the 'rightful' environment of the species. The results of their breeding protocols as the 'righful' representatives of the species.<br /> <br />That is what a member has signed up for. They will be held to account for those conditions of the K.C identity to have a place within it.<br /><br />Can they work against that? Yes.To a degree. But only at great personal cost that still won't change the direction given by the organizational identity. <br /><br />Breeders who support those rules and direction most fully will be the ones to gain any reward. <br />Support for breeders within the org. will always favor members who most fully adopt the K.Cs direction.<br /><br />Support for breeders and any breeding practices that take place out side the K.C environment will NOT be supported.<br /> They will be discredited. If not by the K.Cs elected representatives or individual members, then by the membership overall.<br /><br />Good breeding practices beyond the k.Cs fall into disarray. Because good practices aren't supported. The environment a breeder practices IN becomes the focus of breeders. The natural environment for domestic dogs is discredited and declines in health. <br />Equal and opposite reaction on dog breeder culture to an attempt to confine any expertise to a single environment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-32608512267702136142018-01-20T00:08:33.522+00:002018-01-20T00:08:33.522+00:00Theory of identical containment-
An identity is t...Theory of identical containment-<br /><br />An identity is the environment for all it contains. Defined by a common belief of 'self'. Laws of genetic selection apply to any such space, and determine the condition.<br /><br />Selection is based on what 'belongs' in that space, so an identities evolution is based on elimination. An Identity is defined 'against' its environment.By what separates the identity from the environment it inhabits.<br />Its defined by limitation.<br /><br />A viable identity must recognize all its own parts, or risk destruction of its foundations. The conditions that allow it to be.<br /><br />So humanity as an identity must recognize humanity in its broadest definitions. The selection of what is 'humane' decides the condition of humanity, based on what is eliminated, and the value brought to to the human identity through the responses of humans. Value being what increases either density or volume of the space available to to the human identity.Recognition of all human conditions is essential for effective response to overcome their limitations.<br /><br />Dog breeders are also a single identity- Domestic dogs of all varieties depend on the same conditions to bring value to their environment. <br /><br />The K.Cs are a part of that environment, but have adopted a separate, exclusive identity. The K.Cs must define themselves against their own limitations. Conditions Domestic dogs are dependent on are discredited against pedigree standards. <br /><br /> Alternatives to the recognized standards will be eliminated in the process to define the K.C 'self'. The conditions the species is dependent on, its foundations, are undermined. <br /> The 'rightiousness' of the K.C conditions drive the identity to replicate their own condition on their environment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-53570826241203764122018-01-18T15:42:14.507+00:002018-01-18T15:42:14.507+00:00Problem: Judges are usually just as breed-blind as...Problem: Judges are usually just as breed-blind as everyone else in the conformation show world. If anything, they're the architects of type drift, because most breeders want ribbons, and they breed for whatever phenotype is winning.<br /><br />Also, I suspect that if any judge DID show strict allegiance to health and "preserving the original working type", they'd probably stop getting asked to judge dog shows before long. Astrin Ymrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161302534935273886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-30016460969211179892018-01-17T16:29:05.835+00:002018-01-17T16:29:05.835+00:00Solution: change showing rules so judges can witho...Solution: change showing rules so judges can withold a ribbon if they feel all the dogs in a category aren't worthy of it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17520676743458940905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-34820886108382878432018-01-08T06:40:00.016+00:002018-01-08T06:40:00.016+00:00You must not forget that in the show ring, one of ...You must not forget that in the show ring, one of the entries must win the ribbon. If you get a pool of qualzucht purebreds say Frenchies or Bulldogs, one of them will have to win and that is a problem. Show ring rules work by awarding a ribbon to the best in show. If they are all poorly bred, one of them will still win! Genes get passed by the winner and we keep making things worse!<br /><br />Omar DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-86942279974987489202018-01-06T04:51:47.346+00:002018-01-06T04:51:47.346+00:00Stopping the demand is unrealistic. The sad realit...Stopping the demand is unrealistic. The sad reality is that there are plenty of people who will get a dog on a whim because cute puppy and are not reachable through any educational campaigns. <br /><br />As P.T. Barnum was saying: "There's a sucker born every minute" -- and unfortunately there's a puppy for every single one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-84785592208822055302018-01-04T20:00:58.181+00:002018-01-04T20:00:58.181+00:00Yes, it's a welfare issue... but allowing unha...Yes, it's a welfare issue... but allowing unhappy puppy buyers to sue the breeder who sold them the unhealthy dog without warning them is the first step to changing the conformation show culture. If breeders are forced to either give a comprehensive, accurate list of the probable health problems that the adorable puppy they're selling could develop or face lawsuits with punitive damages... then there's a chance that many of the well-intentioned but breed-blind enthusiasts might wake up and smell the coffee.<br /><br />And if not... well, with full-disclosure they'll be fewer buyers, and the irretrievably delusional will either be forced out of the business by lawsuits or will wind up breeding far fewer "misery puppies" due to falling demand. This will result in less net canine suffering. <br /><br />And the purely for-profit breeders will give it up when liability insurance premiums mean that puppy-ranching is no longer cost-effective.<br /><br />TL; DR-- Hitting them in the pocketbook works faster than trying to hit them in the conscience.Astrin Ymrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161302534935273886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-33438953555726265022018-01-04T16:22:54.026+00:002018-01-04T16:22:54.026+00:00In fairness would have to sue breeders of show pug...In fairness would have to sue breeders of show pugs, French bulldogs and English bulldogs too since they cannot breathe or move freely (surely this is a welfare issue too?).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17520676743458940905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-57900634340387007352018-01-04T16:18:23.454+00:002018-01-04T16:18:23.454+00:00Mike that is an excellent idea. Hit them where it ...Mike that is an excellent idea. Hit them where it hurts (in the wallet).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17520676743458940905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-43760710646688994892017-12-30T23:55:43.058+00:002017-12-30T23:55:43.058+00:00I saw one of these dogs being walked in the park n...I saw one of these dogs being walked in the park near me last week! It could have been the breeder walking him actually (I am in Manchester). I went out of my way to get close to the dog to have a look at him as I couldn't even work out what breed he was - owner told me he was just a puppy and my heart sank because he could barely walk/run. He was moving like an old, old dog and looked so uncomfortable. What are these people thinking?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-85756408596937551582017-12-30T18:15:56.367+00:002017-12-30T18:15:56.367+00:00Of the above listed ideas:
a. The KC finally for...Of the above listed ideas:<br /><br />a. The KC finally forbidding show judges from awarding any win to a qualzucht bred dog, but still having those suffering breeds in the show ring.<br /><br />b. The KC having qualzucht breeds that can be entered in events, and can have their purebred puppies be registered, but not any of them being allowed to enter into the show ring.<br /><br />3. The KC admits its failure to end qualzucht breeding, and closes shop forever (ends its business).<br /><br />The easiest is "b", that the KC be allowed to go forward with shows for the breeds that haven't slipped into qualzucht breeding, but the qualzucht breeds be banned from shows until a time when over half the dogs registered in their breed are Not qualzucht bred, and their breed standard specifically disqualifies those qualzucht characteristics which once did typify their breed.<br /><br />Actually, a few years back, when I was on the internet more, this idea was being bantered about more. Why haven't these qualzucht breeds been banned from the show ring? It was the one easy to do idea that could work without harming the KC.<br /><br />The ban would have to stay in place long enough for breeders of the qualzucht breeds to develop healthier varieties, and for the current crop to age out (leave the scene naturally as they grow old and die out).<br /><br />When the show ring quits rewarding the breeders who produce puppies who will grow to suffer for most of their adult lives, nore compassionate breeders can have a chance at creating a healthier type of dog.<br /><br />There are other alternatives, like outcrossing to a healthy form like a beagle or a Miniture Pinscher, but that alternative bothers those who prize the ideal of "pureblood", and, like in the Harry Potter movies, don't want a crossbred (mudblood) dog in the same dog show with their purebred dog.<br /><br />Whatever the plan, the key is with either the KC fixing the problem of qualzucht breeding (and they can fix it) or the government stepping in and writing a law against qualzucht breeding. <br /><br />You'd think the government would at least make these breeders pay for the veterinary repair bills for these puppies; its a fraud to sell defective items.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-76456109727017616342017-12-30T01:11:48.953+00:002017-12-30T01:11:48.953+00:00Sheepman McSmith sees that, one by one, some of hi...Sheepman McSmith sees that, one by one, some of his lambs are missing. Sometimes, the lambs go missing right out of his barn.<br /><br />But McSmith knows just how to discover what has been happening to his lambs. He whistles for his trusty, loyal, super-intelligent Border Collie X Wolfdog, Lassie.<br /><br />McSmith asks Lassie about the missing lambs. Slyly Lassie looks up at him and says "foxes".<br /><br />So McSmith launches a campaign to rid his land of every fox. But still more of his lambs keep disappearing.<br /><br />"What could be happening to my lambs?" McSmith laments out loud. Lassie hears him, and goes to him, and whispers into his ear, "Its foxes sneaking in at night and nicking off with the lambs".<br /><br />McSmith trusts Lassie the Border Collie Wolfdog, so he goes out to get rid of more foxes.<br /><br />And so we all read that non-show breeders are the people who produce these nice dogs in forms that cause them to suffer and strangle for air.<br /><br />But wait, look in the show ring. Puffing Bulldogs, gasping Frenchies, closed nosed Pugs, and wobbling German Shepherd Dogs still are winning.<br /><br />Ever get the feeling that the media, and sometimes the government, is getting its information about qualzucht breeders from people who are qualzucht breeders?<br /><br />Don't trust a wolfdog to tell you who is eating your lambs.<br /><br />Let the politicians know about the failure of the show ring to reject qualzucht breeding. <br /><br />Send them video of healthy moving German Shepherd Dogs, and video of wobbly show German Shepherd Dogs.<br /><br />Send them photos of distressed show dogs. Point out the difference between healthy nostils and pinched nostrils.<br /><br />Tell them about how the nose tissue in flat faced bulldogs causes respiratory distress.<br /><br />Ask that The Kennel Club either agrees to put a stop to rewarding qualzucht breeding in the show ring, or to no longer judge flat faced or unfit breeds, or to close shop altogether. Because the Kennel Club can put a stop to letting qualzucht bred dogs win, and that would end much of the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1183957703077342201.post-50091462515094876712017-12-29T15:47:27.733+00:002017-12-29T15:47:27.733+00:00Politicians really do need to hear and see the fac...Politicians really do need to hear and see the facts about this cruelty towards animals, and towards the unfortunate families who have bought a doomed to suffer puppy.<br /><br />Politicians are just people. They aren't robots created with programs that tell them everything they will ever need to know; politicians need to learn to facts just like everyone else.<br /><br />If compassionate people fail to explain to all the politicians the current problems in dog breeding, then all the new laws will be based on what the people who breed these dogs tell them.<br /><br />Most elected people are just pet owners, not dog show judges, not veterinarians, not canine enthusiasts. Many are too busy for a pet.<br /><br />They need this explained to them. They need photos and videos, with little notes telling them about these problems.<br /><br />Couldn't everyone make one email to send around? Show the difference between a normal German Shepherd Dog and a wobble legged German Shepherd Dog. Or send them a good and a bad photo of a flat faced breed, and tell them what a big difference it makes for a dog to be born with a normal nose.<br /><br />Tell them about dog breeders who breed two dogs together, who both carry genetic diseases, one out of every four people who buy from that litter gets a doomed puppy,and all its veterinary bills, and the heartache of watching their own children having to watch their dog slowly suffer and die. The other 3 out of 4 puppy buyers might remain blissfully ignorant, but the 25% of us unlucky people need protection from people who breed and sell unhealthy puppies.<br /><br />It would be a big help if every puppy or dog sold had a microchip and if pedigee information, DNA tests and veterinary reports could be added to a data base under the microchip number, so that breeders selling doomed puppies could be held financially liable for the costs of treating and repairing these pets.<br /><br />Also needed are laws against promoting animal suffering such as rewarding for deformity in a show ring, and using deformed animals in advertising because this incites people to buy puppies who will need veterinary care that the human family often can't afford, and which cause suffering to the pet animal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com